How many feet of braid on a baitcaster

[Cgolf]

40 minutes ago, Heartland said:

You can figure how much backing you need easily by knowing a few details and doing some simple math.

 

Spool Capacity rated at what line type and pound test.

 

Line diameter of backing line to be used.

Line diameter and amount of main line you wish to use.

 

If you have this information, the rest is easy.

The only thing that bugs me is braid seems to take up more space than mono of the same diameter. It doesn’t seem to lay on the spool as tightly as mono. 

[Heartland]

4 minutes ago, cgolf said:

The only thing that bugs me is braid seems to take up more space than mono of the same diameter. It doesn’t seem to lay on the spool as tightly as mono. 

If the difference in a couple feet of line is going to be a difference maker this is probably not the answer.  

[Cgolf]

36 minutes ago, Heartland said:

If the difference in a couple feet of line is going to be a difference maker this is probably not the answer.  

I ended up using @jbrew73 method of spooling on the 60 yards of braid first and then the backing to get the amount of backing correct. Then went through the fun process of flipping the line to get the backing on first.

 

this time I won’t fill it as full with backing. After I flipped it, it was a bit fuller than before. 

[Heartland]

Certainly will work, too much of a hassle for me to use.   I usually just do the math, take my reel down to the tackle shop when I purchase my line, and tell them what I want and how much of it. Bulk mono backing is very cheap to have spooled on.

[CrankFate]

 

 

 

On 12/26/2018 at 11:50 AM, WRB said:

What lb test? Reel spool capacity is dependant on line diameter. Look at your reels spool capacity, usually listed as mono line by lb test, then look at the diameter of your braid compared to the mono diameter.

Tom

PS, TW list Suffix braid diameter with a mono lb test conversion. 

? when want line capacity, go as thin as possible. Look for line diameter ratings for the reel. Usually you can double capacity with thinner line. Pound test is overrated. 

On 12/26/2018 at 2:00 PM, Dens228 said:

I can't be the only one that loads the spool with line until it's near the top?

I couldn't even guess how much line is on there nor have I tried.

Nope. You’re not the only one. I fill until it’s as full as possible. No backer line, just lay a tail of braid across the spool. But if the spool has grooves in it or holes in it, it’s impossible for the line to slip. 

1 hour ago, cgolf said:

The only thing that bugs me is braid seems to take up more space than mono of the same diameter. It doesn’t seem to lay on the spool as tightly as mono. 

It does, but you have to start by spooling it on very tight. I know what you mean, though, but trial and error in spooling tightly and with which lines work better in holding the spool goes a long way. If it doesn’t hold good enough for you, try a different brand line.

[Dens228]

6 minutes ago, CrankFate said:

 

 

 

? when want line capacity, go as thin as possible. Look for line diameter ratings for the reel. Usually you can double capacity with thinner line. Pound test is overrated. 

Nope. You’re not the only one. I fill until it’s as full as possible. No backer line, just lay a tail of braid across the spool. But if the spool has grooves in it or holes in it, it’s impossible for the line to slip. 

It does, but you have to start by spooling it on very tight. I know what you mean, though, but trial and error in spooling tightly and with which lines work better in holding the spool goes a long way.

No backer line for me either.  I roll a layer of electrical tape, then tie it on and spool it up. 

[Cgolf]

Do really like the Sufix Coastal Camo on the reel hoping it will work on the water. 

[WRB]

Line diameter is line diameter, .010 is .010. It's up to the user to determine the reel spool capacity based on line diameter, not lb test that uses averages, no other method is available without guessing. Reel mfr's use pound test by average, it's only a starting point. Will my reel hold 150 yards of 50 lb Suffix 832? It will if the reel capacity holds 150 yards of .014 dia 14 lb test mono or 19 lb test .014D mono.

Tom

PS, the data is availble, it's up to the user to make a determination.

[Heartland]

9 minutes ago, WRB said:

Line diameter is line diameter, .010 is .010. It's up to the user to determine the reel spool capacity based on line diameter, not lb test that uses averages, no other method is available without guessing. Reel mfr's use pound test by average, it's only a starting point. Will my reel hold 150 yards of 50 lb Suffix 832? It will if the reel capacity holds 150 yards of .014 dia 14 lb test mono or 19 lb test .014D mono.

Tom

PS, the data is availble, it's up to the user to make a determination.

Not sure if this is in reference to my post or not since you made no quotation, so disregard if it is not. I want to know what the spool says it can hold.  Ie.  120 yards of 10lb test mono.   I need that information to do the math to determine how many yards of backer and mainline it will take to fill the spool.

[WRB]

Suffix 832 list it's 40 lb as being .014 diameter equal to 14 lb test mono. I am not sure where Suffix gets their line diameters for mono? Your reel capacity would be based on the average mono dia were 12 lb test is equal to .014 dia.

What reel by model are you trying to evuate for 10 lb mono backing and what brais mfr and lb test are you using?

Tom

[Cgolf]

5 minutes ago, Heartland said:

Not sure if this is in reference to my post or not since you made no quotation, so disregard if it is not. I want to know what the spool says it can hold.  Ie.  120 yards of 10lb test mono.   I need that information to do the math to determine how many yards of backer and mainline it will take to fill the spool.

 

16 minutes ago, WRB said:

Line diameter is line diameter, .010 is .010. It's up to the user to determine the reel spool capacity based on line diameter, not lb test that uses averages, no other method is available without guessing. Reel mfr's use pound test by average, it's only a starting point. Will my reel hold 150 yards of 50 lb Suffix 832? It will if the reel capacity holds 150 yards of .014 dia 14 lb test mono or 19 lb test .014D mono.

Tom

PS, the data is availble, it's up to the user to make a determination.

The whole thing is confusing because Abu states 12 lb 145 yd capacity. Xt 12lb 0.015 while big game 12 lb is 0.014. To get 0.015 in big game it would be 15 lb line. So maybe reel manufacturers should give us diameter since pound test is pretty much useless. 

[Heartland]

15 minutes ago, cgolf said:

 

The whole thing is confusing because Abu states 12 lb 145 yd capacity. Xt 12lb 0.015 while big game 12 lb is 0.014. To get 0.015 in big game it would be 15 lb line. So maybe reel manufacturers should give us diameter since pound test is pretty much useless. 

the slight variance wont make much difference in the long run.  Line does not hold that tight of a tolerance across the entire spool.  Just need a good average.

 

[Dens228]

13 minutes ago, cgolf said:

 

The whole thing is confusing because Abu states 12 lb 145 yd capacity. Xt 12lb 0.015 while big game 12 lb is 0.014. To get 0.015 in big game it would be 15 lb line. So maybe reel manufacturers should give us diameter since pound test is pretty much useless. 

You are talking 1/1000 of an inch difference in diameter.........you are really overthinking this......

One of my closest friends does this, he's an engineer and over analyzes everything.  

Are you an engineer?? 

[WRB]

If you lookup 6 different brands of mono and average them 12 lb mono is .014 diameter. You reel holds 145 yards of .014 diameter line filled to within 1/16" of the spool rim would be my estimate.

Tom

[Heartland]

21 minutes ago, WRB said:

Suffix 832 list it's 40 lb as being .014 diameter equal to 14 lb test mono. I am not sure where Suffix gets their line diameters for mono? Your reel capacity would be based on the average mono dia were 12 lb test is equal to .014 dia.

What reel by model are you trying to evuate for 10 lb mono backing and what brais mfr and lb test are you using?

Tom

come on man you are over complicating this, we are not sending a ship to the moon, we are putting fishing line on a reel a few yards one way or the other is not a game changer.

[Cgolf]

26 minutes ago, WRB said:

If you lookup 6 different brands of mono and average them 12 lb mono is .014 diameter. You reel holds 145 yards of .014 diameter line filled to within 1/16" of the spool rim would be my estimate.

Tom

I think this has turned into a whose on first conversation. 

 

So not sure which of us you are replying to, but 60 yards of 30 lb 832 paired with roughly the same amount of 10 lb big game gave me the reel spooled up in the pic above. At this point I pretty much have 10 lB XT and 10 lb big game as my backing line. It seems to have worked out just fine. I don’t use mono anymore so not much reason to have a lot. 

 

I can definitely say this is the most thought I have put into spooling a reel, so I am sure it is better than others I have done in the past. 

[Cgolf]

53 minutes ago, Dens228 said:

You are talking 1/1000 of an inch difference in diameter.........you are really overthinking this......

One of my closest friends does this, he's an engineer and over analyzes everything.  

Are you an engineer?? 

No but it is interesting that small of a difference in diameter is an extra 3lbs in breaking strength. A wanna be engineer, I test the stuff they make, but my instincts are pretty good as to guessing/suggesting what the design changes should be. If I could do life over I would study to be an engineer. 

[WRB]

1 hour ago, Dens228 said:

You are talking 1/1000 of an inch difference in diameter.........you are really overthinking this......

One of my closest friends does this, he's an engineer and over analyzes everything.  

Are you an engineer?? 

You definately are overthinking at .0000, we have using .000 as a reference.

The OP found the solution to his problem.

Tom

[Heartland]

When you are spooling a lot of reels for customers in a retail setting you do not have the luxury of spooling, un-spooling, re-spooling.  The customer says he wants 70-75 yards of the braid he just purchased on each of the these two spools.  I am attempting to show an easy way to determine the proper amount of backing to spool on to meet that customers needs.     If someone else wants an easy fast way to determine how much backing then this will work, as long as you don't need it to be accurate down to inches.

[Dens228]

[Cgolf]

6 minutes ago, Dens228 said:

Really don't want to argue this, but would you agree that 10lb XT is noticeably thinner than 20 lb xt? There is only 4 thousandths of an inch difference, but at least to me it is noticeable.

[Dens228]

31 minutes ago, cgolf said:

Really don't want to argue this, but would you agree that 10lb XT is noticeably thinner than 20 lb xt? There is only 4 thousandths of an inch difference, but at least to me it is noticeable.

This wasn't directed at you.  

[Choporoz]

I put some backing on....usually until I can't see the spool....and then some more.  Then I tie braid with an alberto knot and turn the crank until the braid is about ....oh, IDK...a little bit below the edge of the spool. 

    I'll flip the braid on occasion, usually when I want it on a different reel.  When I can cast down to the connection knot, I toss the braid and start over.

[WRB]

The op has 2 spools of braid, unknown size, 300 yards each spool and 6 reels to fill.

6 divided into 600 yds = 100 yards each reel 

The op choose to use 60 yards. 5 reels divided into 300 yds = 60 yards or 1 of the 300 yd spools. The Sixth reel uses 60 yards of 300 yard spool leaving a balance of 240 yards of braid. Interesting thought process. 

Peace,

Tom

 

[CrankFate]

If the reel is rated for 150 yards of line that is .10 mm, if you use line that is .050 mm on it it will hold 300 yards of line. This is how I do my math with line capacity. But this only matters on an extremely limited shallow spool or if you are fishing something big that runs far an takes hundreds of feet of line. Otherwise you almost always have way more line than you will ever need. But you still need it because an underfilled reel will not cast as good and will (often) have inconsistent drag tension.