Bent hook help

[LxVE Bassin]

U might of foul hooked a carp if there were scales on the hook. I’m curious as to what brand the two middle hooks because they look weird and I have never seen any EWG hooks with such a short neck. It’s hard to believe that a 1.5 pounder would bend those hooks out. I boatflip 3+ pounder with 1/0 g-finesse hooks and with no bending of any sort. Did you buy those hooks yourself or did someone give them to you and told you what brand they were? I hate EWG hooks because I can never get a good hookset with them but to each is own. I recommend using an offset round bend hook if u want to t-rig your senkos. 

[Hook2Jaw]

1 minute ago, the reel ess said:

How about 2-3 IPAs/day?

I taste pine trees at work all day, hard pass.  If you have to go that route, you should remove frogs, punching, and flipping/pitching from your repertoire.

 

I hope you're familiar with the Ned rig. 

[the reel ess]

37 minutes ago, Hook2Jaw said:

I taste pine trees at work all day, hard pass.  If you have to go that route, you should remove frogs, punching, and flipping/pitching from your repertoire.

 

I hope you're familiar with the Ned rig. 

It's an acquired taste, for sure. I like all sorts of craft beers but, for some reason, IPA's and pale ales are about the only craft beers that stay on the shelf in my small town. I taught myself to like them and now they've ruined me on BMC (Bud-Miller-Coors). The only time I ever drink those anymore is when they're free and they give me hiccups.

 

BTW, frog and jig are two of my best techniques. But I'd prefer to catch them on topwaters every time out.

[Hook2Jaw]

14 minutes ago, the reel ess said:

BTW, frog and jig are two of my best techniques. But I'd prefer to catch them on topwaters every time out.

I feel you on the jig and topwater.  I haven't had much luck frogging my local PFA, but it's a fun way to catch them.

 

Anyway, back on topic.

 

@NittyGrittyBoy, I noticed those hooks are missing the black finish on the point.  Did you sharpen them out of the package before they ever touched the water?  It could be a bad sharpening job preventing the hook passing plastic and penetrating flesh.

 

As for the bend towards the eye, I have no idea how that happened.  All of my shanks give before I'm able to deform that bend.  This is some very weird stuff you've got going on.

[NittyGrittyBoy]

Those with the weird bend at the top are kvd mustad hooks. Just says 3/0 on package. I'll save my EWG's for flukes and Swimbaits. 

 

I just bought these hooks to try, maybe they'll be stronger than this junk I've been using. And no presharping the hooks. Paint being chipped just means I wrastle with giant bass ?

[Hook2Jaw]

Wild.  I've had no problem with Berkley Fusion hooks, I'm a big fan after wrenching oysters loose from dock pylons while sheepshead fishing.

 

As for the VMCs, I've had good times with those.  Had that very same hook stand up to countless bass, but a 27" redfish didn't bend one after a sustained fight either.

 

The Owners and Gamakatsu are a bit out of my price range, though!  When you putting me on the couch so I can fish SW GA?

[WRB]

6 hours ago, NittyGrittyBoy said:

Hook on far left is good hook for reference to the 3 bent hooks on Right

Starting left to righ the larger off set worm hook being 1, then 2, 3, 4 the shakey head jig.

1. Looks new, silver point indicates some corrosion, looks like a Gamakatsu 58413.

2. Light wire off set hook, looks good with thr tip missing plating.

3. Same hook as #2, sprung slightly open, same tip plating issue.

4. Shakey head jig, light wire hook, sprung slightly open.

It's not unusual to spring open the gap of light wire hooks unhooking bass, it is unusual bending the hook gap open on a hook set as it should penetrate the jaw first.

Why the hook points are bright nickel, the black coating is missing indicating corrosive action or being resharpened?

You didn't discribe your hook setting technique so I will suggest how I set lighter wire worm hooks. My method is the reel set and firm rod sweep in lieu of a hard rod cross thier eyes hook set. Sharp hooks penetrate easily and rarely have a bass of any size throw a worm hook. My second hook set technique is a snap set when fishing more verticle. The snap set or whip set a sharp rod set into slightly slack line,this drives the hook point through the jaw and can srping open light wire hooks, don't recommend the snap set unless using larger diameter strong hooks.

Tom

 

 

[LxVE Bassin]

 

U must set the hook like Fat Cat 

[NittyGrittyBoy]

BOOM! Goes the dynamite haha! When I set the hook, I do mean business. 

 

 

@Hook2Jawwhen the big girls start to go on the beds I got some ponds I can take you to! Home of leprechaun's and Unicorns.

 

@WRBfirst hook is fine, the rest are bent out, and the Berkeley fusion must still be on the bank because I couldn't find it. I'm still going to order straight shank hooks to try my local bait store didn't have any. When flipping or t-rig I reel up slack, and give a hard upward motion. Crankbaits, topwater the rest it's a side sweep hookset. My

 

Ive also always thrown 5/0 as well, it wasn't until I downsized to a 3/0 I started having more bending out problems. And thank you guys for the help and suggestions that's why I joined Bass Resource!

[WRB]

Take a look at the Greg Hackney vedio on hook setting jigs, this is what I am suggesting  when I say reel set and rid sweep. I do this with 5/0 Gamakatsu jig hooks using 10 to 12 lb and FC when casting over 40 to 50 yards catching giant bass.

Boom cross the eyes hook set doesn't put as much hook setting force as the reel,set does.

I am not a fan off off EWG set worm hooks for 2 reasons; the cam over sideways when a bass crunches down on them and the large loop acts like a spring. You can overcome the spring affect by using stronger wire hooks, you can't over come the hook rolling over flat. If you like off sets use the standard round Bend off sets.

So, why are your hook points silver color?

Tom

[NittyGrittyBoy]

There not that silver to me, probably some corrosion. They are new but probably had moisture in my box. And that tip and in the round bend part chips first.

 

Only hooks I resharpen are frog hooks, jigs, and the occasional chatterbait. I keep a small wetstone in my box just for that, my grandpa taught me to sharpen my hooks. But worm hooks and trebles are too easy to replace

[rtwvumtneer6]

On 12/19/2018 at 12:53 PM, Hank. said:

What brand are those two in the middle? They've got an unusual neck on them, or are you saying the neck is getting bent like that?

 

It takes a huge amount of force to bend a hook when it's hooked to something that is not stationary like a fish, unless the line is wrapped around something giving the fish leverage. Shallow water helps, but not that much. A gator, or an otter, a turtle, something that can hold onto the bottom could do it. A 1.5# bass can't do it unless those hooks are made out of aluminum. You could probably pull a riding lawn mower around by a hook without bending it. Now if you yank on it hard and fast enough, you could bend it, but you're talking enough force to maybe break a rod.

 

 

Those two in the middle look like Mustads... correct me if I'm wrong.  I tried them, and wasn't a fan of that bend (that's how it's designed) and how it held a plastic.  Grip pins aren't bad though.

 

I played with a few brands last year (gammy, mustad, owner, VMC) and found the most confidence in Trokar.  I believe it's the TK120 or "magworm" EWG and I pitch with it on 50# braid.  I prefer an EWG over a straight shank flippin hook, but that's a whole different topic.  IMO, though, the straight shank is probably a bit stronger (less flex) than a comparable EWG simply by design.  

[fin]

8 hours ago, rtwvumtneer6 said:

Those two in the middle look like Mustads... correct me if I'm wrong.  I tried them, and wasn't a fan of that bend (that's how it's designed) and how it held a plastic.  Grip pins aren't bad though.

I think they may be "Mustad Ultra Point Big Mouth Tube Bait Hooks". I went looking for a hook with a bend like that, and that's the only one I found. There may be more though. It may have come from somewhere like Walmart packaged as something else.

 

I've never tried the grip pins. Looks like they might tear up a worm if you tried to change worms to a different color. I have that trouble with VMC EWG hooks. I'll use a worm several times before throwing it away if I can.

[CrankFate]

On 12/19/2018 at 2:42 PM, NittyGrittyBoy said:

Those with the weird bend at the top are kvd mustad hooks. Just says 3/0 on package. I'll save my EWG's for flukes and Swimbaits. 

 

I just bought these hooks to try, maybe they'll be stronger than this junk I've been using. And no presharping the hooks. Paint being chipped just means I wrastle with giant bass ?

Good move. I consider the hook the most important thing there is. And hooks are extremely likely to be fakes. I don’t trust a hook, no matter how much it cost, unless it came from a reputable dealer or at least says “sold and fulfilled by Amazon.” The same with popular brand fishing lines. 

 

The owners and VMC’s you chose are a great choice. The best place to spend the most money on fishing, IMO, is on hooks.

[roadwarrior]

On ‎12‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 10:54 PM, GReb said:

I don’t know if I’ve ever had a bass bend a 3/0 hook or larger. 

Trokar, Gamakatsu, Owner and  XPoint penetrate very well and do not bend.