Shimano Expride A Casting Rod 6'6" Medium

[Outdoors]

Tacklewarehouse has the rod's line wt listed as 8-16lb.

 

Sunline Shooter Defier Nylon Monofilament 22 lb diameter is .015

 

How safe is it to use that test?

[scbassin]

Breaking strength of the line is 22LBS, rod is rated at 8 to 16 lb.  I would not use it use a line rated 16lb or less

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[Outdoors]

Just now, scbassin said:

Breaking strength of the line is 22LBS, rod is rated at 8 to 16 lb.  I would not use it use a line rated 16lb or less

Thanks for the reply.

 

That did cross my mind, but I asked because it seemed like some frog fishermen will use 50 and 65lb braid on a rod not rated for line that strong.

[Glaucus]

I've heard that the line ratings on rods are useless/pointless.

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Wow.  Where is the speechless icon thingy?...

[Arcs&sparks]

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14 minutes ago, reason said:

Where is the speechless icon thingy?...

 

[fishwizzard]

That Sunline is likely rated for raw stregnth rather then knotted strength, the diameter is the same as 12lb Trilene XT, which suggests it’s about the same actual stregnth. 

[islandbass]

5 hours ago, Glaucus said:

I've heard that the line ratings on rods are useless/pointless.

I’m curious if you learned it from an article and if so post it. 

 

I dont think so much useless as opposed to being a guide for us anglers to follow. 

 

One can lighten the reel’s drag to compensate for using a line higher than the rod’s Suggested rating. Personally, I try to stay within it, but won’t hesitate to use a higher strength line if I have to. 

[Glaucus]

20 minutes ago, islandbass said:

I’m curious if you learned it from an article and if so post it. 

 

I dont think so much useless as opposed to being a guide for us anglers to follow. 

 

One can lighten the reel’s drag to compensate for using a line higher than the rod’s Suggested rating. Personally, I try to stay within it, but won’t hesitate to use a higher strength line if I have to. 

Actually on here. I of course can't remember where, but questions arising over spinning gear. Using 20lb braid because it's typically the diameter of 6lb mono. On ML or M rods rated for under by a fair amount. People posted that rod makers actually admit that their line ratings for rods are irrelevant for the most part. 

20 minutes ago, islandbass said:

I’m curious if you learned it from an article and if so post it. 

 

I dont think so much useless as opposed to being a guide for us anglers to follow. 

 

One can lighten the reel’s drag to compensate for using a line higher than the rod’s Suggested rating. Personally, I try to stay within it, but won’t hesitate to use a higher strength line if I have to. 

Like people will use 40 or 50 pound braid on a MH rated for up to 20. So common. How does that make sense if rod line rating is relevant? Not many people use 30lb braid on a casting setup and yet MH is probably the most common with 20lb being the most common rating for it. We'd have to be using whale rods if it mattered. 

20 minutes ago, islandbass said:

I’m curious if you learned it from an article and if so post it. 

 

I dont think so much useless as opposed to being a guide for us anglers to follow. 

 

One can lighten the reel’s drag to compensate for using a line higher than the rod’s Suggested rating. Personally, I try to stay within it, but won’t hesitate to use a higher strength line if I have to. 

Or like is your frog/big swimbait /big heavy cover jig rod really rated for that 65lb braid? No. It doesn't matter 

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10 hours ago, fishwizzard said:

That Sunline is likely rated for raw stregnth

I'm pretty sure that's how they all do it. The marketing guys would insist.

[fishwizzard]

 

22 minutes ago, reason said:

I'm pretty sure that's how they all do it. The marketing guys would insist.

I was under the impression that JDM lines are sold by the raw strength while USDM lines are sold by "average knotted strength" or something like that.   

 

This is Trilene XT:

 

This is Sunline Supernatural Mono:

 

So unless Sunline can somehow make mono that is approaching twice as strong per diameter, there must be different naming/labeling standards at work.  

 

 

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10 minutes ago, fishwizzard said:

 

I was under the impression that JDM lines are sold by the raw strength while USDM lines are sold by "average knotted strength" or something like that.   

 

This is Trilene XT:

 

This is Sunline Supernatural Mono:

 

So unless Sunline can somehow make mono that is approaching twice as strong per diameter, there must be different naming/labeling standards at work.  

 

 

Yeah, mono of the same diameter will not vary much in strength. Other than IGFA certified lines, there is no requirement (or incentive) that lines are labeled to their actual strength, so  companies often will label up or down depending on whether their line is the to be "strongest" or "best handling" or whatever the target audience is. There are differences for sure in the real (or is it reel) world. The hardness and stretch can be manipulated somewhat, but other than "shock strength", that won't affect breaking strength much. I'll check out some Sunline in the same diameters as the BG I normally use, and see how it fishes and tests out on the bench.

[fishwizzard]

5 minutes ago, reason said:

 Other than IGFA certified lines

What are some examples of these lines?  I would love to have a baseline for thickness/strength.  

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7 minutes ago, fishwizzard said:

What are some examples of these lines?  I would love to have a baseline for thickness/strength.  

Most salt water brands have a line (ha) of them. Ande, Hi-Seas, and Suffix are popular ones.

[JustJames]

@Outdoorsit should be safe as long as you don’t lock your drag down and try to un-snag your lure with your rod. Try not to horse your fish in or lift/flip your fish your rod. 

Even i say it safe, but I have seen some that either rip their guide out or broke rod tip when set hook, mostly in frog fishing.

[fishwizzard]

On 12/5/2018 at 9:09 AM, reason said:

Most salt water brands have a line (ha) of them. Ande, Hi-Seas, and Suffix are popular ones.

It looks like Andre Tournament Mono is .30mm at a 10lb rating.  So it looks like the JDM lines are closer to actual raw strength.  

 

 

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5 minutes ago, fishwizzard said:

It looks like Andre Tournament Mono is .30mm at a 10lb rating.  So it looks like the JDM lines are closer to actual raw strength.  

 

 

I dunno. Without actually putting a micrometer to all the lines in all the lb tests, there is really no way of telling for sure. I'd be willing to bet that the diameters listed for a lot of lines lack accuracy (or is it precision)...

Just pick something to throw the Nano Poppers on already!...         (found a few on FleaBay) 

 

[fishwizzard]

1 hour ago, reason said:

I dunno. Without actually putting a micrometer to all the lines in all the lb tests, there is really no way of telling for sure. I'd be willing to bet that the diameters listed for a lot of lines lack accuracy (or is it precision)...

Just pick something to throw the Nano Poppers on already!...         (found a few on FleaBay) 

 

The TT crew mics line when they do reviews of them any mostly lines are about as advertised. 

 

Also the nano poppers are getting thrown on 8lb Braid in order to provide immediate negative reinforcement if I ever decide to try to lift a bass by the line again.

[Junger]

I go with the rod's lure weight and rod power over rod line rating as indicators of what line I will use.

 

 

[Chrisko]

Monofilament fishing line is an extruded resin. In any extrusion process, there can be variances in thickness/diameter.  Because Mono line is the same base resin regardless of brand, material costs are fairly consistent.  To extrude a produce with a progressively tighter tolerance costs more money to do (requires better qty equipment, there is more scrap for out of spec line - it's why aircraft parts are more expensive than automotive parts - tighter tolerances to meet).  I SUSPECT cheaper selling line may more likely be a larger diameter (reported) than a more expensive line for the same test weight.  Why? because of looser tolerances and cheaper production.  If the tolerance to the specified diameter is allowed to be fairly larger - the line maker is smarter to just make the line thicker - so when the low end of the tolerance range is reached, that narrower diameter tolerance is still going to deliver the weight rating.  I SUSPECT these line makers report the "base/specified" diameter is the diameter of their line.  The act of processing and extruding the material (nylon) and post extrusion handling/packaging of the line is far more costly than the actual material costs (ie. nylon resin). Nylon resin pricing is typically around the $2 per pound rate - with fluctuations on market conditions.