Doubts with spinning reel adquisiton

[maherme]

Thanks a lot to everybody for yours answers.

I can get the Shimano Stradic Ci4 2500HGFB for a good price (about 180$), some people here have this reel and they are happy with it, and I have some shimano reels (others older models) so I know as this brand works.

Daiwa LT similar reels are more expensive here and I think they are pretty similar, so I think I will go for the Stradic. 

About the size I think 2500 size is OK, size 1000 is difficult to find here and 3000 maybe is too much for finesse technique with braid.

[PatrickKnight]

That's a really good reel and a level above the Abu you were looking at. I think you will be extremely happy with it.

[Brad Reid]

1 hour ago, maherme said:

Thanks a lot to everybody for yours answers.

I can get the Shimano Stradic Ci4 2500HGFB for a good price (about 180$), some people here have this reel and they are happy with it, and I have some shimano reels (others older models) so I know as this brand works.

Daiwa LT similar reels are more expensive here and I think they are pretty similar, so I think I will go for the Stradic. 

About the size I think 2500 size is OK, size 1000 is difficult to find here and 3000 maybe is too much for finesse technique with braid.

Well, one point I'd make; others may disagree. A Stradic Ci4+ 2500 and 3000 both weigh 6.7 ounces. I know there are some other "Stradic" models that may vary between these two sizes.

 

And, a point?

 

There is absolutely no disadvantage using a 3000 series over a 2500 series as regards its performance with braid and finesse angling tactics. Additionally, you'll likely be able to cast at least marginally farther with a 3000 since the braid flies off the larger reel spool in larger spirals. In effect, a 3000 "feeds" line out faster. Remember, spinning reels release line totally differently from casting reels. It isn't pulled off a rotating spool with all the effects from that.

 

I own Ci4+ Stradics in 1000, 2500 and 3000. You would be at a considerable disadvantage landing large fish on a 1000 series; you be at absolutely no disadvantage using a 2500 or 3000 on an ultralight rod with 2 lbs. line. If I could do it over again, I'd pass on the 1000s and use the others. 

 

Weight? All are so light as to be inconsequential if you mean the Ci4+ reels.

 

Brad

[GeekOutdoors]

13 minutes ago, Brad Reid said:

Well, one point I'd make; others may disagree. A Stradic Ci4+ 2500 and 3000 both weigh 6.7 ounces. I know there are some other "Stradic" models that may vary between these two sizes.

 

And, a point?

 

There is absolutely no disadvantage using a 3000 series over a 2500 series as regards its performance with braid and finesse angling tactics. Additionally, you'll likely be able to cast at least marginally farther with a 3000 since the braid flies off the larger reel spool in larger spirals. In effect, a 3000 "feeds" line out faster. Remember, spinning reels release line totally differently from casting reels. It isn't pulled off a rotating spool with all the effects from that.

 

I own Ci4+ Stradics in 1000, 2500 and 3000. You would be at a considerable disadvantage landing large fish on a 1000 series; you be at absolutely no disadvantage using a 2500 or 3000 on an ultralight rod with 2 lbs. line. If I could do it over again, I'd pass on the 1000s and use the others. 

 

Weight? All are so light as to be inconsequential if you mean the Ci4+ reels.

 

Brad

It might be true for Stradic Ci4+ weight but not for lower ranges. AFAIK the 3000 spool is deeper, hence holding more line but erything else is the same. Some Shimano series also have gear ratio differences between 2500/3000 models (Sedona, Sahara and Nasci do) I'm using 2500 or equivalent on anything medium power and above but i'll keep the 1000 for ML's since it Works for me !

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

18 hours ago, J Francho said:

Seven years later, still using this combo.

 

https://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/pinnacle-DHC5-performa-review.html

 

Four years later, still goes with me almost every trip:

 

https://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/mat-daddy-helios-review.html

 

More reviews, here:

 

https://www.bassresource.com/content/search?SearchText=john+franchot&BrowsePageLimit=30

 

You can trust mine.

Did you pay for the pinnacle and helios or were they given to to for review?

[maherme]

Hi people,

 

At the end I purchased the Shimano Stradic Ci4 2500HGFB, I think I will receive it tomorrow or Friday. I will give to you my first impressions soon, because I want to go fishing on Saturday ?.

 

Thanks a lot and regards,

[J Francho]

16 hours ago, Mobasser said:

Again, good job on the reviews!

Thanks!

59 minutes ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

Did you pay for the pinnacle and helios or were they given to to for review?

Of course not.  They were supplied to me.  I would not have purchased them on my own, so you would not have had the opportunity to read the review.  If you are insinuating bias, which I think you are, you're way off.  Taking time to fish gear other than my own is a sacrifice I make for the benefit of both our sponsors, past and present, and members.  I actually think that positive reviews from people that purchased the gear have built in bias.  They will always justify their purchase, and many times that's the only piece of gear they own, so have no point of reference.

 

I can't afford to go out and purchase our sponsors gear.  I don't get any special discounts from them.

47 minutes ago, maherme said:

At the end I purchased the Shimano Stradic Ci4 2500HGFB

Congrats!  Sweet reel!

14 hours ago, Brad Reid said:

There is absolutely no disadvantage using a 3000 series over a 2500 series as regards its performance with braid and finesse angling tactics. Additionally, you'll likely be able to cast at least marginally farther with a 3000 since the braid flies off the larger reel spool in larger spirals. In effect, a 3000 "feeds" line out faster.

Spool diameters are identical on these two reels.

[J Francho]

 

 

Since we're on the topic of reviews, Mobasser started a good discussion here:

 

[PatrickKnight]

15 hours ago, Brad Reid said:

Well, one point I'd make; others may disagree. A Stradic Ci4+ 2500 and 3000 both weigh 6.7 ounces. I know there are some other "Stradic" models that may vary between these two sizes.

 

And, a point?

 

There is absolutely no disadvantage using a 3000 series over a 2500 series as regards its performance with braid and finesse angling tactics. Additionally, you'll likely be able to cast at least marginally farther with a 3000 since the braid flies off the larger reel spool in larger spirals. In effect, a 3000 "feeds" line out faster. Remember, spinning reels release line totally differently from casting reels. It isn't pulled off a rotating spool with all the effects from that.

 

I own Ci4+ Stradics in 1000, 2500 and 3000. You would be at a considerable disadvantage landing large fish on a 1000 series; you be at absolutely no disadvantage using a 2500 or 3000 on an ultralight rod with 2 lbs. line. If I could do it over again, I'd pass on the 1000s and use the others. 

 

Weight? All are so light as to be inconsequential if you mean the Ci4+ reels.

 

Brad

I agree completely with the 2500 vs 3000 when it comes to the Shimano reels. Zero downside to going with a 3000 for  bass fishing unless you don't use backing on the reel.

 

The frame and spool sizes are the same just a deeper cut spool allowing for additional capacity on the 3000.

[Brad Reid]

2 hours ago, J Francho said:

Thanks!

Of course not.  They were supplied to me.  I would not have purchased them on my own, so you would not have had the opportunity to read the review.  If you are insinuating bias, which I think you are, you're way off.  Taking time to fish gear other than my own is a sacrifice I make for the benefit of both our sponsors, past and present, and members.  I actually think that positive reviews from people that purchased the gear have built in bias.  They will always justify their purchase, and many times that's the only piece of gear they own, so have no point of reference.

 

I can't afford to go out and purchase our sponsors gear.  I don't get any special discounts from them.

Congrats!  Sweet reel!

Spool diameters are identical on these two reels.

 

[Brad Reid]

Good point about the two spools being the same diameter.

 

I think J Francho mentioned this above.

 

So, as regards line playing off reels, it'd be even between a 2500 and 3000 spooled up to the same circumference . . . but larger "plumes" or "swirls" pulling off, unraveling, compared to a 1000.

 

I was thinking about the "why" behind a deeper spool core for the 3000, not diameter. Both hold so much line as to make thoughts of getting "spooled" unlikely. It'd be the fact that the 3000 will hold the same length of line in a slightly larger test I suppose. This "stat" shows up on line size/qty compares on TW.

 

I never use large enough test strengths that it makes much matter, one way or the other.

 

2500/3000 series Ci4+ reels cover a lot of ground, a wide array of fishing presentations.  Brad

 

[J Francho]

I use a 3000 series reel for fishing for steelhead and browns for the extra capacity when they make long runs.  If you get too low on the spool, they drag doesn't work as well, and a really big fish does have the ability to spool a 2500 size reel.  Otherwise, a 2500 is fine for bass fishing.  Typically, a 1000 reel has only a single drag pad dog eared washer stack for drag.  The larger models have a multi washer/pad stack.

[maherme]

Hello people,

 

The reel arrived today! ? I can say it is lighter than I expected and it is really cool!.

There are two things which surprising to me, one was this reel is unprovided of the anti-reverse lever (what is not a problem for me since I always have activated the anti-reverse when I am fishing) and the second is it is not needed to lube the roller of the pick-up (in the manual says is not necessary due to sealed system). I feel the drag is really precise and smooth; and very very power, taking into account the size of the reel.

I want to test this saturday drop-shotting in a small lake near to my home, I will tell to us my experience.

I put here a pic of the reel, I charged with 18lb Sufix 832 braid and a 8lb fluorocarbon leader.

 

 

Regards,

[Tim Kelly]

Very nice, just be careful not to bend the bail wire.

[islandbass]

Holy smokes, that reel looks sick! Bait monkey is salivating and rattling his cage. That is something that could be bought for looks alone, lol. Felicidades. Hope you post on its performance. ??

[The Bassman]

I jumped into this discussion late.  Wish I would have mentioned that 3000 size Shimanos have a bigger handle knob. Higher end Shimano reels have removable knobs and can be changed out. I use left handed PG II baitcaster knobs (BNT4240) on my 2500 FA's.

[burrows]

I use a 16 ci4 3000 I like fishing floro no leaders the deeper spool makes for easier line management. Maybe the 2500 would be the exact same thing I don’t know and I really don’t care at this point ??‍♂️ it’s light feels good in my hand it’s not a huge reel. I’m happy with it.

[J Francho]

2 hours ago, Burrows said:

I use a 16 ci4 3000 I like fishing floro no leaders the deeper spool makes for easier line management.

I use straight fluoro on both 2500 and 3000 size, and I don't notice a difference.  The diameter is the same when the spool is properly filled.  Not sure how a deeper spool would aid in line management.

 

6 hours ago, The Bassman said:

Wish I would have mentioned that 3000 size Shimanos have a bigger handle knob.

 

I forgot about this, good point.  I have custom knobs, so I forget about this.

[burrows]

9 hours ago, J Francho said:

I use straight fluoro on both 2500 and 3000 size, and I don't notice a difference.  The diameter is the same when the spool is properly filled.  Not sure how a deeper spool would aid in line management.

I’m not either but I heard it helps I don’t know.

[Brad Reid]

For those who like straight fluoro, if you are fishing mostly using short casts and finesse presentations, I think you could put on a bit backer, then fill the reel with braid, then what would essentially be a very long leader. That is, if your longest cast puts out 100 feet of line, 33 yards, maybe fill the spool with 50 yds of fluoro so that you are never casting it all off. I suppose it depends. Aaron Martens does or used to do this.  Brad 

[Glenn]

On 10/23/2018 at 6:32 AM, maherme said:

Hello to everybody,

 

I want to buy a new reel for spinning, I would mainly use for drop shot with braid. Actually I am thinking in Abu Garcia Revo Premier in size 30 because I can buy on sale ?, but I read some issues about this reel, same with Abu Garcia Revo Rocket ... Other options are the Penn Clash in size 2500, I read it is really tough and good reel, or Lew's Metal Crush Speed.

 

Does someone use any of these reels and could give to me any opinion? Any other reel proposal maybe?

 

Thanks a lot!

Let's get this thread back on topic.