ApacheGuns515 Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 So a good friend of mine nearly lost his life yesterday. He decided to head out to a local river after work in his kayak for some evening fishing. He gets out on the river near a bridge and drops anchor upsteam in about 30ft of water. The anchor lets go unexpectedly and he begins to drift towards the strong current in the middle of the river and then snags on something hard and pulls the entire front of the kayak under water. Before he could even react the entire kayak was pulled under water and flipped upside down with him inside of it. His leg was caught on something and he had to rip his leg free then float back to the surface and attempt to swim across the current to a boat nearby. Luckily he was able to get the boats attention and they pulled him out. They head back over to where his kayak was and they couldn't even find it, the current was so strong that it pulled his kayak so far under water that they couldn't see it from the surface. And he was trapped inside of it that far under. He shows up to work today with a terribly lacerated and bruised leg and a horror story and telling me he is so grateful that he had his life jacket on because without that extra flotation there was no way he would have been able to stay above that current and call for help. The boaters nearby said they didn't even see him go under and never would have noticed had he not been yelling in their direction once he resurfaced. I know folks say it all the time but seriously, always wear your PFD. They really can and do save your life if you find yourself in an unfortunate situation like my buddy did and currents can often be a heck of a lot worse than they may seem on the surface. He ended up losing everything in that accident including the kayak itself as well as all of his gear, keys, phone, etc. But he walked away with his life. 7 3 Quote
Super User Darren. Posted October 10, 2018 Super User Posted October 10, 2018 Your last two sentences say it all. Lost everything but his life. Glad he's alive to tell the story. 1 Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted October 10, 2018 Super User Posted October 10, 2018 Another important reason, is that should you die, wearing a pfd makes finding your body much easier. 3 1 Quote
Super User Scott F Posted October 10, 2018 Super User Posted October 10, 2018 Glad to hear he came out alive. It also shows the danger of anchoring a kayak in current. 2 Quote
lo n slo Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 indeed, thanks for sharing his story 1 Quote
tander Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 No doubt about it, life jackets and kill switches saves lives !!!!!! Sorry your buddy lost all his equipment but glad to hear that he is still around to talk about it. 1 Quote
Joseph B. Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 Wow! Thanks for sharing. I don't usually wear mine but I will now!! So glad your friend still here to tell about it! 1 Quote
Shawk63 Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 Thanks for sharing. I always wear mine. 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 11, 2018 Super User Posted October 11, 2018 How does a anchored kayak go down bow 1st! I have heard of Jon boats being swamped in rivers from bow tied anchors, didn't know kayaker's would tie to the bow. Whatever anchoring in swift River current can be dangerous and use a quick release hitch loop knot*, he is a lucky man. Tom *highwaymans hitch Quote
haggard Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 Thanks for the reminder. PFD always. Like seat belts. Not in the yak I mean... in the car. Things going wrong are measured in seconds. 1 Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted October 12, 2018 Super User Posted October 12, 2018 3 hours ago, WRB said: How does a anchored kayak go down bow 1st! I have heard of Jon boats being swamped in rivers from bow tied anchors, didn't know kayaker's would tie to the bow. Whatever anchoring in swift River current can be dangerous and use a quick release hitch loop knot*, he is a lucky man. Tom *highwaymans hitch I haven't seen a kayaker do it any other way. The front of the kayak is generally higher up in the water so it takes more to go over the top. It is also easier to set up to fish somewhere since your seat is generally speaking only able to face to the front of the boat. I only anchor directly off the front of my kayak. Sounds like this guy was anchoring in some pretty gnarly current and that deep you'd need a whole lot of anchor line out which i am also guessing wasn't the case. I don't anchor in heavy current myself, not worth the risk to me. Glad this dude made it out ok. Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 12, 2018 Super User Posted October 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, flyfisher said: I haven't seen a kayaker do it any other way. The front of the kayak is generally higher up in the water so it takes more to go over the top. It is also easier to set up to fish somewhere since your seat is generally speaking only able to face to the front of the boat. I only anchor directly off the front of my kayak. Sounds like this guy was anchoring in some pretty gnarly current and that deep you'd need a whole lot of anchor line out which i am also guessing wasn't the case. I don't anchor in heavy current myself, not worth the risk to me. Glad this dude made it out ok. Not being a kayaker It's seem difficult to me how you get up front to tie off a anchor rope to the bow. I can see having a rope tied onto the bow tie down and dropping the anchor over the side and paddling forward to retrieve the rope from the side, that would prevent having a quick release knot, very dangerous situation anchoring in a river with high current. At least he was wearing his PFD and made it out alive. Tom Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted October 12, 2018 Super User Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, WRB said: Not being a kayaker It's seem difficult to me how you get up front to tie off a anchor rope to the bow. I can see having a rope tied onto the bow tie down and dropping the anchor over the side and paddling forward to retrieve the rope from the side, that would prevent having a quick release knot, very dangerous situation anchoring in a river with high current. At least he was wearing his PFD and made it out alive. Tom you don't go up there to tie anything. You run your anchor line from your seat area up the side and then i have a clip at the front that my anchor goes through to keep it right off the bow. In a kayak it doesn't take it being off center much, or not enough line out to get squirrels really fast. I will also use a drag chain off the back set up the same way but that one if i am drifting through something that looks like it might get hung up I am pulling it up quick. I always have a fixed blade knife handy as well. Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 12, 2018 Super User Posted October 12, 2018 You could have a ring on a short bow line to hitch the anchor line to and use the rope end to pull the quick release knot free, that is what I did with mt aluminum boats so I did need to get in the bow to untie the anchor rope. He servived because he was wearing a PFD and was a lucky man he was saved, unlucky he lost his boat and tackle. A quick release may have saved his stuff. Tom Quote
Super User slonezp Posted October 12, 2018 Super User Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/10/2018 at 6:26 PM, Fishing Rhino said: Another important reason, is that should you die, wearing a pfd makes finding your body much easier. Not all of us want to be found 13 minutes ago, flyfisher said: I always have a fixed blade knife handy as well. A knife is an invaluable tool on the water and everyone should carry one at their side. 1 Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted October 12, 2018 Super User Posted October 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, slonezp said: A knife is an invaluable tool on the water and everyone should carry one at their side. And one that is sharp and not just sitting there to look nice. I only cut my anchor line once and it was more of a precaution because it was hung but i didn't feel comfortable at the time. I was happy to have the sharp knife at my side. 1 Quote
Super User MickD Posted October 12, 2018 Super User Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/10/2018 at 7:26 PM, Fishing Rhino said: Another important reason, is that should you die, wearing a pfd makes finding your body much easier. That's what my son has told me many times. Says he doesn't want to waste a lot fishing time looking for the body. ? 1 Quote
Harold Scoggins Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 11 hours ago, Joseph B. said: I don't usually wear mine but I will now!! Wear it always, Joe, and if fishing at night, attach a water activated strobe. Quote
IgotWood Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 Wow, crazy story! It’s so easy to be complacent when we fish the same spot, the same way, all the time. Bad things never happen when it’s convenient! Quote
ApacheGuns515 Posted October 13, 2018 Author Posted October 13, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 5:12 PM, WRB said: How does a anchored kayak go down bow 1st! I have heard of Jon boats being swamped in rivers from bow tied anchors, didn't know kayaker's would tie to the bow. Whatever anchoring in swift River current can be dangerous and use a quick release hitch loop knot*, he is a lucky man. Tom *highwaymans hitch It can happen when anchoring off the front of the kayak. It's happened to me before but I have a sit on top kayak with scupper holes and they were enough to let the water drain out as I frantically tried to get my anchor in which was stuck with required me to release it from my carabiner and let it go so that I wouldn't sink. Kayaks are small boats, when they start to go under they go under quick in strong currents. On 10/11/2018 at 8:22 PM, flyfisher said: I haven't seen a kayaker do it any other way. The front of the kayak is generally higher up in the water so it takes more to go over the top. It is also easier to set up to fish somewhere since your seat is generally speaking only able to face to the front of the boat. I only anchor directly off the front of my kayak. Sounds like this guy was anchoring in some pretty gnarly current and that deep you'd need a whole lot of anchor line out which i am also guessing wasn't the case. I don't anchor in heavy current myself, not worth the risk to me. Glad this dude made it out ok. I know the river he was fishing in well. I go there all the time in my own yak. Close to the banks the river is completely calm but out in the middle it's absolutely terrible. If you want to get to the other side in a yak you basically have to paddle upstream in the calm part then make your way out to the middle while frantically paddling and get pushed out on the other side somewhere down river on the other calm side then paddle back up to where you wanted to go. What happened to him, from what he told me, was that he was anchored on the calm side of the river. He had his head down while tying on a new lure and didn't notice that he was drifting which is understandable as it happens to me often as well. His anchor had let go somehow and he ended up drifting into the middle of the river in the extreme current to where his anchor decided to grab onto something which subsequently pulled him right under. He wasn't trying to anchor out there, he was just distracted as he floated to the middle of the river which caused his accident. Quote
ApacheGuns515 Posted October 13, 2018 Author Posted October 13, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 8:42 PM, WRB said: You could have a ring on a short bow line to hitch the anchor line to and use the rope end to pull the quick release knot free, that is what I did with mt aluminum boats so I did need to get in the bow to untie the anchor rope. He servived because he was wearing a PFD and was a lucky man he was saved, unlucky he lost his boat and tackle. A quick release may have saved his stuff. Tom Yeah that was one of the first things I asked him when he told me the story. Did you have a quick release? He said no which was why he was unable to release the anchor as he was being pulled under. He didn't have time to grab his knife and cut the rope before it was too late. He said that he would be getting an anchor trolley as the first thing if he decides to get another yak. That is why I always advocate anchor trolleys as the first modification any yak fisherman makes. You NEED the ability to quickly release that anchor if things turn south. It has happened to me on more than one occasion. About 3 months ago I was fishing in a local river with a 5lb claw anchor and I miscalculated the amount of line I needed for the anchor to hit bottom when I tossed it over. I ended up drifting right into some rapids with water rapidly spilling all over my kayak. After about 10 seconds of trying to frantically free the anchor I just unclipped it and let it go and was able to paddle my way back to shore. A PFD is an absolute must for anyone on the water in my opinion. Especially kayak fishermen. An anchor trolley with a quick release is equally important for kayakers fishing in rivers. I live on a river, if you look at my river from my backyard it looks like glass most of the time. But if you go to the middle of it the current is deceptively strong, so strong that my 10ft plastic boat with a 55lb trolling motor is literally unable to traverse upriver in that current. But unless you toss something in there and see it looks like it's completely calm. We have had at least 2 people die in the river running behind my house because they thought they could swim in it and ended up getting sucked into that current and drown because it just looks like it would be a great place for a summer swim because it "looks" relatively calm. The local authorities found a dead body in the dam upriver 2 years ago from a young man trying to swim across that river behind my house. Respect the water, know what you are doing, and be safe. Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 13, 2018 Super User Posted October 13, 2018 If anyone is thinking they need a knife to cut a rope in an boating emergency needs to learn 2 basic knots; the simple horse hitch quick release knot and a bowline knot. Tom Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted October 13, 2018 Super User Posted October 13, 2018 12 hours ago, WRB said: If anyone is thinking they need a knife to cut a rope in an boating emergency needs to learn 2 basic knots; the simple horse hitch quick release knot and a bowline knot. Tom Bowline knots aren't quick release by any means and i do know the simple horse hitch quick release knot as well. Problem in a kayak is many people, including myself use zig zag cleats to stop the anchor line. If i were to get in trouble cutting the line is the only option. Could i put in another type of anchor point to tie the line to, sure but I prefer not to have more things protruding from the kayak than i have to should i have some sort of rescue situation where lines can get tangled when flipped. 13 hours ago, ApacheGuns515 said: It can happen when anchoring off the front of the kayak. It's happened to me before but I have a sit on top kayak with scupper holes and they were enough to let the water drain out as I frantically tried to get my anchor in which was stuck with required me to release it from my carabiner and let it go so that I wouldn't sink. They absolutely can get squirrely fast but usually it is because you are not anchoring directly in the center of the bow or not enough line is out. No matter what really, anchoring with a kayak in or near current can be a dicey proposition. Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 13, 2018 Super User Posted October 13, 2018 Bowline knot is used to tie on the anchor and is easy to untie without cutting the rope as it doesn't clinch itself over tight. The quick release knot is released by pulling on the loose end of the rope, you can do this sitting in your kayak or boat. Tie a bouy ( qt jug) to the rope end and go back to pick up and retrieve the anchor. The accident discribed could have been avoided with simple knot knowledge. Tom Quote
ApacheGuns515 Posted October 14, 2018 Author Posted October 14, 2018 21 hours ago, WRB said: Bowline knot is used to tie on the anchor and is easy to untie without cutting the rope as it doesn't clinch itself over tight. The quick release knot is released by pulling on the loose end of the rope, you can do this sitting in your kayak or boat. Tie a bouy ( qt jug) to the rope end and go back to pick up and retrieve the anchor. The accident discribed could have been avoided with simple knot knowledge. Tom In his case I don't believe anything would have been able to change the outcome besides him having the anchor line directly in his hand during the accident. Most people don't fish with the anchor line in one hand. He has a 10ft sit in kayak which was anchored off of the bow. The time it took for that anchor to catch and pull the nose under was about 1 second and once that cockpit filled with water rapidly he was sucked right under. He basically tied the anchor line to the bow through the carrying handle and kept the anchor in the cockpit with him. He would toss it over when it wanted to anchor and then paddle up a bit and retrieve it when he was ready to move and put it back in the cockpit. In strong current like that there is no way to paddle upriver to get it so when it snagged he was done immediately. Having the loose end of the rope in his hand would have helped had he tied the bowline knot, however him drifting into the strong current wasn't intentional and he wasn't expecting to have to quickly release the anchor in a split second. Quote
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