BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted October 9, 2018 BassResource.com Administrator Posted October 9, 2018 Learn critical tips for success from the master - Hank Parker! 3 2 Quote
GoneFishingLTN Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 So he says he doesn’t ping them, does that mean he only uses mapping at the trolling motor or turns off both units completely? Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 I took it as he simply won't drive over the spot/area first, instead preferring to use his mapping to pull up short of the structure and just start fishing. 3 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 That's pretty much what he said: "I rely on that LakeMaster chip..." Quote
Super User scaleface Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 I've heard a number of pros state that bass "can" be spooked by a depth finder and a number of amateurs who say it "never" happens . Whom should I believe ? 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 I've caught so many fish while "fishing the cone," I'm in the doesn't matter camp. I'm fishing at least 12' deep though, so maybe that's the difference. That said, I don't skip spots just because I didn't mark fish. Often, I see them rise from the bottom, to a drop shot plastic, and then you feel the bite. 2 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 After having so many fish come close to the boat recently (in some very clear water) I'm starting to feel like my 360 imaging actually attracts fish ! #hydrowave A-Jay 2 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 Dangle some senkos from the 360 2 Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 46 minutes ago, scaleface said: I've heard a number of pros state that bass "can" be spooked by a depth finder and a number of amateurs who say it "never" happens . Whom should I believe ? That's the great thing about fishing - doesn't matter who you believe. If it works for you, then keep doing it, whatever "it" is... 6 Quote
Todd2 Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 John Hope's tracking proved that big bass are affected by the ping. I'd have to go back and read for the details, but if he had on the sonar, the big fish would take off. If I'm beating the bank, I turn my off. For off shore, I leave it on. But yeah, it's a preference thing. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 The ping didn't bother this one, or many others that day. Was fishing in 38' water. 6 Quote
jbmaine Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 4 hours ago, scaleface said: I've heard a number of pros state that bass "can" be spooked by a depth finder and a number of amateurs who say it "never" happens . Whom should I believe ? I'm firmly in the "like many things in fishing , sometimes it matters and sometimes it doesn't" camp. That being said I usually don't turn my sonar off. I caught my biggest fish of the year five feet from the boat in five feet of water with both sonar's and the TM going. Also, because of Glenn's video, I will be spending more time on so called " barren" structure. Thanks Glenn 1 Quote
Super User scaleface Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, jbmaine said: I'm firmly in the "like many things in fishing , sometimes it matters and sometimes it doesn't" camp. That being said I usually don't turn my sonar off. I caught my biggest fish of the year five feet from the boat in five feet of water with both sonar's and the TM going. Also, because of Glenn's video, I will be spending more time on so called " barren" structure. Thanks Glenn Nobody says pings disturb 100 per cent of fish . I have heard many pros state that it happens at times . We have all caught deep fish with the sonar turned on . I have caught thousands of fish directly under the boat . That does not prove that at times sonar does not alert fish . I have caught many fish after my cousin slams his tackle box against the floor of an aluminum boat . Does that prove tackle boxes slammed against the floor does not , at times , alert fish ? 3 Quote
lo n slo Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 i know one guide who thumps on the side of his boat to draw the stripers in. he swore that it worked for spots too! go figure Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 I have stated multiple times bass get conditioned to boats and anglers approaching their location and metering the bass can shut down a bit. For these reasons approaching a point from a different angle like close to the shore line in lieu of from outside deep water can make a difference. Metering a known fish holding area after you fish is sometime better then driving over the bass before you fish it. Nothing is absolute and sometimes being on top of bass with the sonar running has no affect. Tom 2 Quote
Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted October 9, 2018 Global Moderator Posted October 9, 2018 35 minutes ago, lo n slo said: i know one guide who thumps on the side of his boat to draw the stripers in. he swore that it worked for spots too! go figure Check this out. 1 Quote
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 7 hours ago, Todd2 said: John Hope's tracking proved that big bass are affected by the ping. I'd have to go back and read for the details, but if he had on the sonar, the big fish would take off. What you need to keep in mind is that all animals hear within a certain frequency range. Can you hear a whistle? What about a dog whistle? John Hope did see bass that he was tracking clearly flee when he turned on his sonar. I don't remember exactly when he made this observation but it was a decades ago. Modern high definition sonars work at much higher frequencies than the old flasher sonars. I had a unit many years ago that I could hear when I turned it on in the garage and it would read depth off of the garage floor. You can hear up to about 20kHz depending on your age and how many Rock concerts you've been to. My Humminbirds generate a wide range of frequencies from 83kHz at the low end to 800khz at the high end. I haven't seen any info on a bass' hearing range. Catfish can only hear up to about 4kHz. Dolphins are known for their ability to hear very high frequencies up to 150kHz. I would expect bass to be some where in between, probably much closer to the catfish. So when @A-Jay is running his 360 imaging at 455kHz I don't think he has anything to worry about. Personally, I avoid the 83kHz frequency setting on my 2D imaging when I'm fishing and used 200 kHz instead. I should be safe with that setting even if some dolphins swim up in the Tennessee river. Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 It's not about the bass hearing they also have lateral line to feel the sonar pulse, your trolling motor and big OB engine pushing water at long distances. If they wary it affects them, if not it doesn't, why take the chance unless you need sonar to stay on top of the bass? Before GPS way point markers we used bouys to mark deep structure so we could fish the area. Tom 1 Quote
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, WRB said: It's not about the bass hearing they also have lateral line to feel the sonar pulse, your trolling motor and big OB engine pushing water at long distances. If they wary it affects them, if not it doesn't, why take the chance? Tom Bass sense low frequency vibrations with their lateral line like the ones you mentioned. There is no way they pick up sonar with their lateral line. I had a graph in the 90s that ran at 55 kHz but it made a clicking sound that I could hear. I was clearly not hearing the 55 kHz pulse. I'm not sure what caused the clicking but I'm sure the bass could also hear it. I try to be as quite as possible but I don't worry about bass sensing my high frequency sonar any more than I worry about them sensing my cell phone pinging the cell tower. Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 9, 2018 Super User Posted October 9, 2018 Have ever put your hand on a running transducer? The clicking you hear is the transducer pulsing, not the frequency of the pulse. Bass have ears to located close low frequency sound like crawdads moving and some bait fish sounds. Lateral line nerves pickup longer distance water sounds. I have watch several times big bass panic and leave an area they are uncomfortable being in at several hundred distance before they could possibly see me, they apparently detected my boat sounds. You see a pressure wave and don't know if it's a bass or other type of fish until you see them swim past you. Tom Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted October 10, 2018 Super User Posted October 10, 2018 Back to the question... Do you fish structure where bait or bass are not seen on your electronics? 2 Quote
Super User NHBull Posted October 10, 2018 Super User Posted October 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, roadwarrior said: Back to the question... Do you fish structure where bait or bass are not seen on your electronics? Absolutely, as electronics can't see under or between rock pile or downed trees Quote
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