Making a mold of a discontinued bait

[Buckeye Ron]

Hey everyone, it’s been a long time since I was last on this site. After moving to Florida in 2016 I had some health setbacks and am just now getting back to fishing. 

 

With that out of the way, I want to ask the experienced do it yourselfer’s a question about making a mold. I have a few packs of a worm that has long ago been discontinued, like maybe in the 70’s or 80’s, and as far as I know the company is no longer in business. Can I legally make a mold from these worms and pour my own? 

[J Francho]

For your own use?  I don't see why not.

[flyfisher]

I can't think of any reason why that would be an issue.

[Jig Man]

If you make them for yourself and don't sell them then no one the wiser.

[Porkrind]

Yup as long as it’s for you and your not selling them then there is no reason why. Can you post a picture of the worm and I might be able to help you out.

[Buckeye Ron]

20 hours ago, Porkrind said:

Yup as long as it’s for you and your not selling them then there is no reason why. Can you post a picture of the worm and I might be able to help you out.

Here you go. I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts.

[Munkin]

That should not be that hard since there is nothing complicated about the bait. Make a mold using Lego's and bondo and you can make all you want.

 

 

Here is a 2 piece mold I made for a Berkley 4" heavy sink worm that I wanted to copy for wacky rigging.

 

Allen

[Buckeye Ron]

40 minutes ago, Munkin said:

That should not be that hard since there is nothing complicated about the bait. Make a mold using Lego's and bondo and you can make all you want.

 

 

Here is a 2 piece mold I made for a Berkley 4" heavy sink worm that I wanted to copy for wacky rigging.

 

Allen

LEGO’s and Bondo? Is there a YouTube video for that?

[Porkrind]

Are those are 4.5” worms? Fully rounded or flat bottom? Here is a picture of a mold available by an online retailer that is similar. If you want exact then yes YouTube has a lot of videos on creating molds: 

 

Heck I’ve been trying to find out what worm this is. It’s 5.5”. I’ve got a 12 cavity mold for them but no idea if they someone still owns the rights to the worm.

[BigBluecats]

I agree that you should mold old soft plastics. The fish would have never seen these before

[Munkin]

It looks like one side is flat? Lurecraft will make a mold of those baits for you just contact them. It doesn't cost much something like $20? Otherwise you can make your own mold out of bondo or the silicone Lurecraft sells.

 

Glue the baits down on a non-stick baking pan using casket sealer. Create a box out of lego's that is about 1" bigger around than the baits and about the same 1" for depth. Secure the box to the pan using the gasket sealer and you are good. Pour the bondo or silicone into the box but not directly onto the baits. Pour into a corner and just let it flow over the baits to keep from getting bubbles. Let it dry and you are done but the bondo may need some clean up.

 

Allen

[Buckeye Ron]

2 hours ago, Munkin said:

It looks like one side is flat? Lurecraft will make a mold of those baits for you just contact them. It doesn't cost much something like $20? Otherwise you can make your own mold out of bondo or the silicone Lurecraft sells.

 

Glue the baits down on a non-stick baking pan using casket sealer. Create a box out of lego's that is about 1" bigger around than the baits and about the same 1" for depth. Secure the box to the pan using the gasket sealer and you are good. Pour the bondo or silicone into the box but not directly onto the baits. Pour into a corner and just let it flow over the baits to keep from getting bubbles. Let it dry and you are done but the bondo may need some clean up.

 

Allen

Yes, one side is flat. What this is is a Bagley Eager Beaver worm.

[Gundog]

I might try mold making for a discontinued lure I have. 

[Munkin]

1 hour ago, Gundog said:

I might try mold making for a discontinued lure I have. 

 

That will be harder because of the ribs by doable if you make an injection mold. 

 

Allen

[Porkrind]

Here’s a 3.5” that’s very similar:

http://www.basstackle.com/647_Ring_Swim_p/647-1-1.htm

[WRB]

Very few lures are patented, Huddleston's Boot tail is 1 example. Patents are normally protected 17 years. 

Copying a soft plastic worm isn't an issue.

There are several custom worm makers that sell what you want. The worm you posted was called a 4" and 4 1/2" paddle tail during the 80's.

Tom

PS, Don Iovino Products, Don has a similar mold as I recall and can duplicate nearly any color if you order 100

[12poundbass]

If I remember correctly even the Senko isn't patented, which is why Mr. Yammamoto had no issues with Do-It molds making a Senko mold for us to buy. 

 

Now his recipe for making that worm feel the way it feels and do what it does and have the sink rate, that's a secret he's not giving away. It's been replicated but to my knowledge never duplicated, or if it has no one will tell. 

[Porkrind]

14 hours ago, 12poundbass said:

If I remember correctly even the Senko isn't patented, which is why Mr. Yammamoto had no issues with Do-It molds making a Senko mold for us to buy. 

 

Now his recipe for making that worm feel the way it feels and do what it does and have the sink rate, that's a secret he's not giving away. It's been replicated but to my knowledge never duplicated, or if it has no one will tell. 

Gary worked with do-it on that mold I believe which is why it also has do-it engraved on the egg sack portion of the worm which is the only difference. 

[WRB]

Just looked at Barlows Tackle and check out their "Make your own plastics" in the on-lin catalog. The instructions show the op's worm being used for the example!

Tom

[Porkrind]

18 hours ago, WRB said:

Just looked at Barlows Tackle and check out their "Make your own plastics" in the on-lin catalog. The instructions show the op's worm being used for the example!

Tom

Hahaha that’s funny stuff right there. He should be able to get really good instructions based off of that.

[Munkin]

On ‎10‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 8:53 PM, Gundog said:

I might try mold making for a discontinued lure I have. 

Let me find the link but I found this mold for sale on ebay earlier tonight.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lure-Bait-Mold-Fishing-Lure-Molds-Fischkoderform-molde-de-pesca-Pulse-R/192586832859?var=492714387665

 

Allen

[Buckeye Ron]

On 10/11/2018 at 5:37 PM, WRB said:

Just looked at Barlows Tackle and check out their "Make your own plastics" in the on-lin catalog. The instructions show the op's worm being used for the example!

Tom

I looked all through their site and I can’t find what you are referencing. There are several “paddle tail” worm molds out there, but none of them are exact replicas of Bagley’s Eager Beaver worm. I’m thinking it’s high time to learn how to make a mold and pour my own.

[WRB]

18 minutes ago, Buckeye Ron said:

I looked all through their site and I can’t find what you are referencing. There are several “paddle tail” worm molds out there, but none of them are exact replicas of Bagley’s Eager Beaver worm. I’m thinking it’s high time to learn how to make a mold and pour my own.

Google search "Barlows Tackle make your own worms".

You can make a silicone mold of your worm, it will be a hand pour and not exactly the same as a production injection molded worm. I suggested you call Don Iovino and ask him if he can duplicate your worm, it will be a lot less expensive then buying everything you need to make own. Call Barlows they have a good customer service and know nearly every worm made, Your choice!

Tom

 

[Munkin]

https://www.lurecraft.com/Plastic-Mold-218/productinfo/5X218/

 

Send Lurecraft a picture and they can let you know if they make it. Above is a similar worm that is longer but had a good pic unlike most of Lurecrafts pictures.

 

Allen