Palomar knot failing

[JustinJ]

20lb power pro tied to swivel and my knot keeps failing. Never had an issue before. I had 3 year old braid on and thought it was the line so changed the line and it still continues happening. What am I doing wrong? 

[looking45]

The Palomar know can be frustrating if it's not tied correctly. It sounds like it's cutting into itself when you cinch the knot down. Try another knot and see what happens

[Team9nine]

Hard to say since we can't see exactly how you are tying the knot, but I use a Palomar for everything (braid, mono, fluoro) regardless of pound test and almost never have an issue. Would think it has to be in something you are doing while tying (technique).

 

Is it breaking or pulling out (slipping)?

[JustinJ]

Breaking

14 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Hard to say since we can't see exactly how you are tying the knot, but I use a Palomar for everything (braid, mono, fluoro) regardless of pound test and almost never have an issue. Would think it has to be in something you are doing while tying (technique).

 

Is it breaking or pulling out (slipping)?

Breaking and the knot still looks fine. It's almost like the manline is breaking right above or inside the knot

[Mike F]

^^ that’s the real question. I had a lot of Palomar failures with braid due to slippage  until I learned to leave a generous tag end. Which I do with all line types now, At least 3/4” tag end, makes the knot more weedless too (with plastic lines)

Oh nvm lol just saw ur post disregard mine. Are ya spitting on it before you cinch it?? It’s possible it’s burning? But I’ve not experience that much

[JustinJ]

Is it possible I'm cinching it down to tight? I am really pulling on it but didn't think it would really be possible for me to break 20lb braid by hand

[Mike F]

I doubt it, are you making sure the lines really moistened before you snug it? I’ve never thought this was as critical with braid, but it could be your issue, more knowledgeable members should clear the air on this, I’m merely speculating.

[JustinJ]

When I make the overhand loop I am tightening it all the way.the few videos I just watched say not to do this as it can cause the line to cut into itself and you are supposed to cinch. everything all at once

[mrcimon]

I’ve never spit on my palomar, I leave my tag end log and grab it with pliers and pull the main line to make sure the knot sits right. Then cut the tag end to about 1/4”. 

[FishDewd]

If the line is breaking above the knot, it's not your line but your line. It is possible to have an issue with brand new line. If the knot is breaking, then generally it's cause the line is crossing (x) across the other pass in the eyelet, which can cause digging which results in failure that way. I'd check for that happening. Usually this happens when you are making the loop in the line around the hook/swivel to sit above the knot.

 

When I make the overhand loop I am tightening it all the way.the few videos I just watched say not to do this as it can cause the line to cut into itself and you are supposed to cinch. everything all at once



 

That could be it. Leave some air above the swivel/hook eye after you make the overhand loop in the line. Also make sure it is sitting below the OH knot in the loop itself. As far as tightening after you pass the loop under- I've never had luck tightening all at once, I don't even see how that'd work since there are two unique parts to be tightened. I snug the tag line down first- snug, not cinch fully! Then do the same with the mainline. Then cinch down both individually, then both at once. Has always worked for me, I've never broken a palomar. And yes, make sure the lines are moistened first.

[Jrob78]

You don't have to moisten braid when you cinch it down. I sometimes use a double palomar with slick braids and I have to use pliers to tighten it and I've never had issue with burning or knot breakage. My guess is that you are crossing the line when you tighten it or you just have a bad section of line. Try to make sure you don't get any twist while you're tying and cinch both sides down loosely before you cinch it all the way tight.

[jbrew73]

When does the knot fail? During the cast ? Setting the hook?   What type of reel are you using?

[craww]

On 9/21/2018 at 11:21 PM, FishDewd said:

If the line is breaking above the knot, it's not your line but your line. It is possible to have an issue with brand new line. If the knot is breaking, then generally it's cause the line is crossing (x) across the other pass in the eyelet, which can cause digging which results in failure that way. I'd check for that happening. Usually this happens when you are making the loop in the line around the hook/swivel to sit above the knot.

 

 

 

 

That could be it. Leave some air above the swivel/hook eye after you make the overhand loop in the line. Also make sure it is sitting below the OH knot in the loop itself. As far as tightening after you pass the loop under- I've never had luck tightening all at once, I don't even see how that'd work since there are two unique parts to be tightened. I snug the tag line down first- snug, not cinch fully! Then do the same with the mainline. Then cinch down both individually, then both at once. Has always worked for me, I've never broken a palomar. And yes, make sure the lines are moistened first.

The pulling on the tag end thing is important. You can see how it damages mono and flouro When you pull the mainline. Even with a ton of spit, not over tightening the overhand knot portion, and pulled slowly  I still get the curly cue looking mainline when I pull that way.   Id gotten in the habit of pulling the mainline braid to save line at some point after 25 years of tieing polomars and had noticed my knots- while perfectly fishable w/no failures- broke just a little too easy for a given lb test when snagged. 

    Pulling the 4" or so of tag costs a little more line but gives a stronger knot. This may not be your problem but in my experience this is the “right” way to tie a palomer.

[Fishingintheweeds]

So after you do the knot under, pull both and instead of ONLY PULLING the main line, pull the tag line, THEN the main to pull it snug but do NOT cinch it...is this correct? 

 

I had my first knot ever come out on me the other day. I was using braid and after a number of casts, I made another cast, noticed something felt a little different, then watched watched that spinnerbait make its final flight, no line attached. I haven't had problems ever before with braid but it did make me wonder about my knots. 

[LxVE Bassin]

Never had problems with a palamor knot or double palamor knot. Maybe it’s the line you are using. What technique are you using that requires a swivel? Multiple connections make a weak point no matter the line.

[blckshirt98]

There was a post on this a few months back.  Just to be clear it's not your mainline (braid) that's breaking, but the leader breaking, correct?  20 lb PowerPro should absolutely not be breaking whatsoever no matter how incorrectly the knot is tied.

 

Assuming it's the FC/Mono leader that's breaking, how are you tying the Palomar?  Are you bringing it back up and over back through the "loop"?  There are some videos that incorrectly demonstrate the Palomar knot that causes a the leader to cross itself that weakens the line and kills it.

[Sam]

After tying your knot put a small drop of fast drying glue on the knot.

 

Pro's trick.

[JustinJ]

18 hours ago, blckshirt98 said:

There was a post on this a few months back.  Just to be clear it's not your mainline (braid) that's breaking, but the leader breaking, correct?  20 lb PowerPro should absolutely not be breaking whatsoever no matter how incorrectly the knot is tied.

 

Assuming it's the FC/Mono leader that's breaking, how are you tying the Palomar?  Are you bringing it back up and over back through the "loop"?  There are some videos that incorrectly demonstrate the Palomar knot that causes a the leader to cross itself that weakens the line and kills it.

It was the mainline, 20kb power pro that was breaking. It was breaking right above the knot. Haven't had any problem since I changed my line knock on wood