Issue with Palomar knot and copolymer line.

[mrcimon]

Alright so I haven't done a lot of cranking and I typically use straight braid.  I use specifically Palomar knots for everything, and it's worked fine for me.  

 

I decided to get a cranking setup and have read that braid isn't the best for cranking so did some looking and decided to try FluoroKote.  The issue I am having is tying the palomar the overhand knot falls apart before I am able to pull the loop tight and creates a mess.  Now i am wondering if I should just go to 30lb braid, and just adjust my drag accordingly rather than fight with the copolymer.  

 

Any thoughts?

[soflabasser]

I use the uni knot with Big Game Mono and it does great for me. 

[NHBull]

There are some braids that are more resilient than others, but opting for a uni knot may be the easier solution. The Pitzen, and SanDiego knots are also solid choices......

 

you could also go braid to FC leader and use the above knots

[mrcimon]

4 minutes ago, NHBull said:

There are some braids that are more resilient than others, but opting for a uni knot may be the easier solution. The Pitzen, and SanDiego knots are also solid choices......

 

you could also go braid to FC leader and use the above knots

I'll have to try the uni.  Unfortunately the guides on my rod are super small on the last 3 holes near the tip and not sure if i'd be able to do a leader.  

[NHBull]

5 minutes ago, mrcimon said:

I'll have to try the uni.  Unfortunately the guides on my rod are super small on the last 3 holes near the tip and not sure if i'd be able to do a leader.  

The FG will pass through the smallest of guides

[HeyCoach]

Why not go with a Trilene knot or improved clinch?

[WRB]

Practice tieing the Palomar knot, it's a simple knot to tie correctly on hooks and snaps.

Run the one end of the line through the tie eye using about 8" of line, the pass the line back through the eye creating a double line with about 2" loop, tie the overhand part of the knot using the double line and pull down so it is snug but not tight. The knot should be snug enough not to loosen while you put the loop end over the hook eye or snap. Now wet the knot at the eye and slowly draw down the Palomar knot tight using the tag end only unit tight, now test the knot before clipping off the tag end.

Palomar knot is ideal for monofilament lines of all types.

Use a quality snap to attach your line to Crankbaits in lieu of tieing directly onto the lure.

Tom

 

[Catt]

Ya got a line problem ?

[BassB8Caster]

I agree with the above. Not the knots problem with copolymer. I use the palomar knot with 20lb P-line CX and have no issues. I would try another line. 

[J Francho]

Try a Uni before giving up on the line.  It's a pretty easy knot to tie.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

Fish-n-Fool knot(aka -through eye twice uni knot) easy to tie and stronger than the palomar knot to boot.

[Hulkster]

i use the palomar knot with sufix siege which is a very slick, slippery line and have found its very tough to break. Using an improved clinch knot on the same line however, fails (for me anyway).

 

 

[papajoe222]

I'm confused by the OP's wording that the knot if falling apart before he pulls the loop tight. I'm thinking that he is letting go of the tag end and it's pulling through the loop before it's cinched. If that's the case, it's the technique he is using, not he knot.

I use the palomar for all three line types with no issues.

[Further North]

19 hours ago, mrcimon said:

I'll have to try the uni.  Unfortunately the guides on my rod are super small on the last 3 holes near the tip and not sure if i'd be able to do a leader.  

Even tiny microguides are OK with an FG knot.

 

To me...a Palomar knot on a crank seems like a PITA - making a loop big enough to pass the lure through while keeping track of all the moving parts would drive me nuts.

[MichaelCopeland]

I use a Palomar knot on everything(braid, mono, flouro and copoly). The Palomar knot is a great and easy knot to tie and use. It does take a bit more practice with lines other than braid. With leaders I use a uni to uni knot. Goes through my smallest guides just fine. It is an easy knot to tie on leaders with. It does take some practice too and it has to be done just right to make it small enough to go through the smaller guides well yet strong enough to not break when hauling in a decent bass. I agree with @WRB on the snaps with crankbaits, the only thing I'll add is remove the line tie split ring when using them.  I also use snaps alot of times with chatterbaits and topwater baits like hollow body frogs, Whopper Ploppers, Spooks and Pop Rs. Hope you get it all figured out! ?

[J Francho]

On 9/12/2018 at 1:58 AM, WRB said:

Use a quality snap to attach your line to Crankbaits in lieu of tieing directly onto the lure.

I'm 100% with you on this one.  So much easier, and I never have to worry about the knot getting caught in the split.

[mrcimon]

3 hours ago, J Francho said:

I'm 100% with you on this one.  So much easier, and I never have to worry about the knot getting caught in the split.

I've got snaps in my tackle box.  I've always heard people talk negatively about them so I've never used them.  

 

21 hours ago, Hulkster said:

i use the palomar knot with sufix siege which is a very slick, slippery line and have found its very tough to break. Using an improved clinch knot on the same line however, fails (for me anyway).

 

 

I had this same issue with Power Pro.  

 

On 9/12/2018 at 9:46 AM, J Francho said:

Try a Uni before giving up on the line.  It's a pretty easy knot to tie.

I will try it today.  Thanks for the suggestions.  I did manage to get a nice Palomar made up yesterday.  Just takes some extra patience where braid is much easier to make up a Palomar. 

 

Thanks for all the replies!  

[burrows]

I’m fully aware op has resolved his issue which I have previously struggled with as well however I want to throw my two cents in. Polomar knot 90 perfect of the time no matter what line if you do it rite you won’t Fray your floro one way of doing this is by keeping your finger in the loop wile sinching down the line till it’s almost closed and of course moisten the line. 

[Dangerfield]

I almost always use a snap on mono or fluoro set ups and I still use the Palomar. If I'm on the water and I need to tie a knot in a hurry I use the Jansik Special. It's a no brainer and I can easily tell if I've tied it wrong. 

[J Francho]

1 hour ago, Dangerfield said:

I can easily tell if I've tied it wrong.

Same any knot.  Pull on it.

[Boomstick]

I would second trying a uni knot with 4-6 loops. It works much better with fluorocarbon and I find it works better than the palomar on many brands of mono too. I'll even use it for braid but the palomar does cinch down nice and tight on braid so I mix it up depending what I feel like tying at the time.

[J Francho]

On 9/13/2018 at 12:50 PM, mrcimon said:

I've got snaps in my tackle box.  I've always heard people talk negatively about them so I've never used them.  

Snaps are okay.  Swivels are okay.  Snap swivels are the devil's work.

[mrcimon]

4 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Snaps are okay.  Swivels are okay.  Snap swivels are the devil's work.

Mama told me that snap swivels are the debil.  

 

Just to be clear I worked it all out with the knot.  My frustration was due to when you cinch down the palomar with braid you don't need to hold the loop, where as with mono or fluoro you need to hold that loop till it's almost ready to cinch tight or it messes up the knot.  

 

I don't use swivels either.  Though they do help with changing some lures, they don't fit in to all lures so I just make new knots when switching lures now.  

[ChrisD46]

On ‎9‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 4:35 PM, Further North said:

Even tiny microguides are OK with an FG knot.

 

To me...a Palomar knot on a crank seems like a PITA - making a loop big enough to pass the lure through while keeping track of all the moving parts would drive me nuts.

*Use the palomar knot on a small VMC snap for crankbaits - then attach to your crankbait .