I was told Shimano is the only spinning reel under $100 whose bearings won't rust - is this true?

[MickD]

19 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

So what do you think caused the Pflueger to fail? I literally only got 1 season of very light use out of it.

Did it get dunked?  Maybe a number or times?  Stored outside in a shed or something like that?  To get rust you have to have water, either in vapor or liquid form.  Reels don't get water inside as a general occurrence, but this one obviously did.     I think your expectations are too high. To get you a reel that never needs attention and could take all kinds of mistreatment would have to be made of "unobtainium" and would cost a fortune.

 

It really doesn't take much to make a reel last a very long time.  A few drops of oil, proper storage, don't dunk it, common sense stuff.  I still have reels from the 50's that my dad gave me, and they still work as well as ever.   Reels are pretty intricate devices. Which is why they are among the things I will never loan to anyone.

47 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

So was the guy in the specialty shop lying to me or did I just get a dud? I'm confused, I only dropped my reel in the water a few times. Is it possibly bc it was a Cabela's exclusive model?

I missed the "dropped in the water a few times" comment.  Reels don't like to be dropped in the water.  Like non-water resistant watches. And firearms.  Outboard motors.  Most machines.   Especially inexpensive ones.  If you get a new reel, and drop it in the water, take the cover off to expose the inside and let it dry in a dry environment until you use it again.  And try not to drop it in the water again.  Put a few drops of oil in the obvious places, like bearings, anything that moves or spins.  Keep track of the screws; you need them.  

 

It was not a "bad one."  It wasn't treated right and it wasn't maintained right.

[Ohioguy25]

2 hours ago, MickD said:

Did it get dunked?  Maybe a number or times?  Stored outside in a shed or something like that?  To get rust you have to have water, either in vapor or liquid form.  Reels don't get water inside as a general occurrence, but this one obviously did.     I think your expectations are too high. To get you a reel that never needs attention and could take all kinds of mistreatment would have to be made of "unobtainium" and would cost a fortune.

 

It really doesn't take much to make a reel last a very long time.  A few drops of oil, proper storage, don't dunk it, common sense stuff.  I still have reels from the 50's that my dad gave me, and they still work as well as ever.   Reels are pretty intricate devices. Which is why they are among the things I will never loan to anyone.

I missed the "dropped in the water a few times" comment.  Reels don't like to be dropped in the water.  Like non-water resistant watches. And firearms.  Outboard motors.  Most machines.   Especially inexpensive ones.  If you get a new reel, and drop it in the water, take the cover off to expose the inside and let it dry in a dry environment until you use it again.  And try not to drop it in the water again.  Put a few drops of oil in the obvious places, like bearings, anything that moves or spins.  Keep track of the screws; you need them.  

 

It was not a "bad one."  It wasn't treated right and it wasn't maintained right.

So fishing poles were not made to get wet, got it.

[Rahlow]

Simple if you look around, Bass Pro Formula Spinning reel, $49.99,,,

Stainless steel,  double shielded bearings,

[Ohioguy25]

2 minutes ago, Rahlow said:

Simple if you look around, Bass Pro Formula Spinning reel, $49.99,,,

Stainless steel,  double shielded bearings,

Does the Abu Garcia I linked not have shielded bearings?

[Rahlow]

Just now, Ohioguy25 said:

Does the Abu Garcia I linked not have shielded bearings?

I do not know,

[DSTN]

Not sure I've dunked any if my spinning reels but they've definitely been rained on at least. I usually just make sure they are left in a place they can dry and oil if I think it's needed. Don't know if the guy at the shop was purposely misleading you or just didn't know any better. 

 

Tackle Warehouse description for the Revo X says it has stainless steel corrosion resistant bearings.

[Ohioguy25]

40 minutes ago, DSTN said:

Not sure I've dunked any if my spinning reels but they've definitely been rained on at least. I usually just make sure they are left in a place they can dry and oil if I think it's needed. Don't know if the guy at the shop was purposely misleading you or just didn't know any better. 

 

Tackle Warehouse description for the Revo X says it has stainless steel corrosion resistant bearings.

Cool, thanks

[Bluebasser86]

I have several Pfluegar spinning reels from the Trion to the Supreme XT. All of them have heavy use in all kinds of conditions, more than one of them has been dunked, never had any issues with any bearings rusting. 

 

Sounds to me like you found a guy in a shop who didn't know much other than a cool acronym to try to get you to buy a more expensive Shimano reel. 

[Ohioguy25]

13 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I have several Pfluegar spinning reels from the Trion to the Supreme XT. All of them have heavy use in all kinds of conditions, more than one of them has been dunked, never had any issues with any bearings rusting. 

 

Sounds to me like you found a guy in a shop who didn't know much other than a cool acronym to try to get you to buy a more expensive Shimano reel. 

You really think he was lying to me? I don't think he was trying to sell me a reel, he seemed pretty genuine.

[Bluebasser86]

34 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

You really think he was lying to me? I don't think he was trying to sell me a reel, he seemed pretty genuine.

Intentionally lying to you? No. Giving you misinformation in an attempt to sound credible? Quite possibly. I've dealt with the latter many times at the local sporting goods stores. 

[burrows]

3 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

You really think he was lying to me? I don't think he was trying to sell me a reel, he seemed pretty genuine.

I dont think he knows what he’s talking about shimanos spinning reels under a hundred dollars are pretty crappy in my opinion, and trust me I’ve hade a few of them even the nacsi at 100 bucks is junk I had that one to, your way better off with your abu Garcia.

[MickD]

9 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

So fishing poles were not made to get wet, got it.

Getting wet and dunking are two different things.  When I fished in Canada I often left my outfits in the boat overnight and they got rained on.  But since the reels were maintained properly, none malfunctioned.  With all the advice you've been getting it appears you have two choices.  Keep dunking them and not maintaining them and get the same results, or treat them better and give them a little oil and maintenance now and then and have them last forever.  Your choice.

"Shielded" and "water resistant" and "corrosion resistant" don't mean the same thing as "waterproof" and "corrosion proof."  

[FishTank]

I am going to take a guess and say that the guy at the store likes Shimano and didn't know that it had stainless steel ball bearings which is corrosion resistant but not rust proof.  Shimano claims to have ARB, SARB, and RSARB = Anti rust bearing, Shielded anti rust bearing, and removable shield anti rust bearing. 

 

Here is a little info and more than you will ever need to know about bearings and corrosion. 

 

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13.0

 

Bottom line, if you get water inside a bearing and don't do proper maintenance, in time, it's toast. 

[craww]

If you submerge a spinning reel, especially “a few times” and never have it serviced its not the reels fault.

 

ALL reels will get water in them when submerged. Pretty much all grease loses tackiness when exposed to water. Some reels are sealed better, some drain,dry, evaporate a little better-(baitcasters often have designed drain holes) or sometimes for whatever reason water doesnt permeate down into everything. Not all bodies of water are as bad. One guys water may have a lot less silt, sand, alkaline, whatever than the other guys. We’ve all dropped a reel and kept on fishing, but its a roll of the dice not cleaning and relubing.

 

I dont think you’ll have any better luck until you change some habits. Heck if anything- The revo spinning reels are actually known for the anti reverse clutches rusting...I know this for a fact, as Ive replaced two after they were dunked. The pins on the clutch assembly are much smaller than a daiwa for example and the clutch sits flush on top of a bearing which keeps water out of the gearbox and things in alignment. Problem is, the water has nowhere to go. Its a water trap.

[Mobasser]

I think this guy is completely wrong? All those reels are good. And everyone of them , regardless of brand, needs routine maintenance - oil on bearings to keep running smooth

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

On 8/24/2018 at 11:41 PM, Ohioguy25 said:

So what do you think caused the Pflueger to fail? I literally only got 1 season of very light use out of it.

If I had to guess, it got put away wet. Worst thing you can do. 

[PatrickKnight]

I fish the same rivers you do given your profile info and my Daiwa reels have gone under water more times than I can to admit and have not seen a bearing failure yet (they do get serviced). I have also never had bearings rust in my Shimanos either. I am curious what shop told you that though?

[TBAG]

On 8/26/2018 at 6:50 AM, Burrows said:

I dont think he knows what he’s talking about shimanos spinning reels under a hundred dollars are pretty crappy in my opinion, and trust me I’ve hade a few of them even the nacsi at 100 bucks is junk I had that one to, your way better off with your abu Garcia.

Really? I have a few Nascis and not an issue? Why do you think they're junk?

[burrows]

1 hour ago, TBAG said:

Really? I have a few Nascis and not an issue? Why do you think they're junk?

Do you really? 

Well junk compared to what you get from other spinning reels in that same price range. Here’s a picture of mine a week before I put it on eBay because it not only flexes but the seals are not up to par. Where’s a picture of yours? Hopefully you don’t put up a stock photo of some random internet pic? looks pretty but it’s not worth 100 bucks bro I’m sorry it’s smooth but it’s wobbly. Even the new Diawa legalis is better.

[J Francho]

Settle down, children!

[Choporoz]

It's funny because I posted a thread in the past month or two about recent experiences with different spinning reels in extreme wet conditions.  Of the several different brands I mentioned, the Pfluegers held up best in sustained heavy rain conditions. 

 

My post was referring to problems likely caused by wet drag washers, but none of the reels sustained apparent bearing damage.   Note that I maintain my own spinning reels, but only minimally.  I clean and oil spindle and handle innards...little else.  I do it gernally twice a year and after significant rain/dunking. 

[TBAG]

16 hours ago, Burrows said:

Do you really? 

Well junk compared to what you get from other spinning reels in that same price range. Here’s a picture of mine a week before I put it on eBay because it not only flexes but the seals are not up to par. Where’s a picture of yours? Hopefully you don’t put up a stock photo of some random internet pic? looks pretty but it’s not worth 100 bucks bro I’m sorry it’s smooth but it’s wobbly. Even the new Diawa legalis is better.

Whoa bud, calm down. I was being sincere asking you about your opinion of the reel, no need to get hostile BRO. Sounds like I struck a nerve.

[Deleted account]

19 hours ago, J Francho said:

Settle down, children!

We don't need no lubrication,

We don't need no cast control,

No dark jig trailers in the bass room,

Teacher leave them fish alone,

Hey, teacher, leave them fish alone....

 

"How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat"....

 

IBTL

[J Francho]

[Bass Turd]

I've been waiting for Mike @Delaware Valley Tackle to jump in on the conversation. Maybe he can give some information on ARB bearings in spinning reels. Steel or stainless steel? Specifically Shimano and Pflueger.