jeffo21 Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Guess for those prices I will keep using my little pelican bass raider Quote
38 Super Fan Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 4:08 PM, Catt said: Ugh nope! Bass Cat is everything Ranger is for a lot less money! I do think Ranger is the one brand who can charge a little more just because of their name. On 8/17/2018 at 5:17 PM, 18RangerZ520L said: 1. Hold it's resale value.... ? Good answer. Rangers definitely hold value better than any of the others. Quote
22RangerZ520R Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 11 hours ago, 38 Super Fan said: I do think Ranger is the one brand who can charge a little more just because of their name. Good answer. Rangers definitely hold value better than any of the others. Yep, and why can they "charge a little more just because of their name"? Because they've built a quality product and have stood the test of time. In doing so, the Ranger name has become synonymous with quality. Yeah, I thought it was a good answer too... Again, they hold their value so well because why? Not because they're low quality and built poorly, but the exact opposite.... It's not just a coincidence that there are 3 times as many guys in Rangers vs Bass Cats on the B.A.S.S. Elite Series........ And I'd be willing to bet if there was a survey done by bass fisherman across the country of "what the number one bass boat is", Ranger Boats would be at the top of the list. 1 Quote
Super User Sam Posted August 19, 2018 Super User Posted August 19, 2018 Z521L ICON Features Exclusive Custom Icon Hull Color Package Cutom 50th Anniversary Traction Pad Cockpit Floor Liner Custom Steering Wheel Tilt Steering Black Chrome Stern Grab Handles Lighted Recessed Trolling Motor Foot Well 50 Anniversary Center Rod Box Liner 50th Anniversary Start Up Screen with Lowrance Electronics Electronic Linked Gauge Display Dual Trim Custom Vented Boat Cover Engine Hood Cover (2) 8’ Black Power Poles Power Pole Foot Switch Custom Gloss Black Hydraulic Jack Plate Jack Plate Gauge Lowrance HDS 16 Carbon @ Console Lowrance HDS 12 Carbon @ Bow Lowrance 3D Structure Scan Transducer Stereo Minnkota Ultrex 112/US2/IP-45”_BT Group 31 AGM Cranking and Trolling Motor Batteries Oxygenator Battery Charge Gauge Hamby’s Kee; Protector Dual Console Parking Backup Light Challenger 17in Wheels (Black Chrome finish) Launch and Load Trailer Lights 50th Anniversary Step Lighting F2 Winch Its a wonder the d**n thing floats! 1 1 Quote
DINK WHISPERER Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Ranger = Apple . . . . . . Overpriced status symbol. 1 Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted August 19, 2018 Super User Posted August 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, DINK WHISPERER said: Ranger = Apple . . . . . . Overpriced status symbol. While I don't own a Ranger I do have Apple products and I can say that of all the PCs and laptops i have owned, my MacBook Air from 2013 is still going strong unlike many pc laptops I have owned in the past. 2 Quote
Super User slonezp Posted August 19, 2018 Super User Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/18/2018 at 9:24 AM, Logan S said: Another thing to consider is how many more accessories we are throwing on bass boats now and the cost of these high-tech accessories. Even just 10 years ago the 'standard' accessories were just a fraction of what they are now. On the Icon I see the following for main accessories: Carbon16 3D: ~$5,000 Carbon12: ~$3,000 Ultrex 112 Link: ~$2,800 Hydraulic Jackplate: ~$2,000 Power Pole 8' Blades w/mounts (x2): ~$5,000 So you're looking at approximately $17,800 in retail costs for just those main electronics/accessories. Now throw in all the other odds and ends that come on the Icon (like stereo, digital gauges, extra console, etc, etc, etc) which will add up to a good amount on their own. Outboard's are also pretty dang expensive these days...250HP outboard run $20,000+. Tandem trailers are $6,000+....Probably more for the tricked out ones. In this example I'm laying out, you've got about $44,000 in costs BEFORE you even talk about the boat itself. As bass fishing has gone high-tech, the costs are going up. You obviously don't NEED all this stuff but when looking at modern top of the line 20' or 21' models with all the accessories you should't be too surprised at the prices given all the extra stuff put into them now. Were it not for all the R&D input done by professional fishermen, and the heavy heavy promotion, the prices wouldn't be so high. There are less expensive options for both boats, and their accessories. Many non professional anglers, especially the younger ones, fall into the mindset "If I don't buy the best of the best, I'll never make it past mediocre as an angler" Same reason if I spend $300 on a pair of Air Jordans, they will make me a better basketball player than a pair of $50 sneakers. Back to the original topic. Ranger's name means quality. It's earned its reputation in both the bass and multi-species market. If someone wants to, and has the means to pay $100k for a bass boat, more power to them. 1 Quote
Logan S Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 48 minutes ago, slonezp said: Were it not for all the R&D input done by professional fishermen, and the heavy heavy promotion, the prices wouldn't be so high. There are less expensive options for both boats, and their accessories. Many non professional anglers, especially the younger ones, fall into the mindset "If I don't buy the best of the best, I'll never make it past mediocre as an angler" Same reason if I spend $300 on a pair of Air Jordans, they will make me a better basketball player than a pair of $50 sneakers. Back to the original topic. Ranger's name means quality. It's earned its reputation in both the bass and multi-species market. If someone wants to, and has the means to pay $100k for a bass boat, more power to them. Agree 100% on both counts. I was just pointing out that the accessories are expensive and more numerous now than they were in the past...And that contributes to the higher costs, especially on a boat that is the peak of the top of the line models. Quote
Super User slonezp Posted August 19, 2018 Super User Posted August 19, 2018 56 minutes ago, Logan S said: Agree 100% on both counts. I was just pointing out that the accessories are expensive and more numerous now than they were in the past...And that contributes to the higher costs, especially on a boat that is the peak of the top of the line models. Accessories can still be had cheap. A basic color 2d graph can be had for a couple hundred bucks. One does not need $10K in graphs on his boat...But it sure is a nice addition. I saw a guy in a bay boat earlier this year who had a graph on his center console that could also play movies for the kids. I'd never own one but it sure is a neat idea. 2 Quote
Logan S Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, slonezp said: Accessories can still be had cheap. A basic color 2d graph can be had for a couple hundred bucks. One does not need $10K in graphs on his boat...But it sure is a nice addition. I saw a guy in a bay boat earlier this year who had a graph on his center console that could also play movies for the kids. I'd never own one but it sure is a neat idea. Once again I agree, but this particular boat does have ~$10k in electronics along with other high dollar items...Hence the high price tag...I was just relating to the original topic. I know all about not needing the most expensive stuff to compete and succeed...I started tournament fishing in a 17' Tracker with 1 cheap greyscale sonar and no GPS. My latest boat is pretty dang nice but is still not on the level as these top flight rigs like the Icon. Quote
Super User Gundog Posted August 19, 2018 Super User Posted August 19, 2018 And yet we have not even talked about insurance. For those who tournament fish I understand you must have it, others its a unnecessary but reassuring item. It must be more expensive for a boat that is $100k if boat insurance is anything like car insurance. What say you about this? 1 Quote
22RangerZ520R Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, slonezp said: Accessories can still be had cheap. A basic color 2d graph can be had for a couple hundred bucks. One does not need $10K in graphs on his boat...But it sure is a nice addition. I saw a guy in a bay boat earlier this year who had a graph on his center console that could also play movies for the kids. I'd never own one but it sure is a neat idea. Very true, but why on earth would you put KIA wheels on a Lamborghini......?!?!?!?!? 1 hour ago, Logan S said: I know all about not needing the most expensive stuff to compete and succeed...I started tournament fishing in a 17' Tracker with 1 cheap greyscale sonar and no GPS. My latest boat is pretty dang nice but is still not on the level as these top flight rigs like the Icon. I too know about not "needing" the most expensive stuff to succeed... My first rig back when I was in high school.... 1989 Ford Festiva (4 speed manual V4) w/ two man plastic Basstender without a depthfinder! My depthfinder back then was sticking the rod in the water and seeing if I could touch bottom!!! (Keep in mind I'm 6'4", 250lb) 2 Quote
PNW LipRipper Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 2 hours ago, 18RangerZ520L said: Very true, but why on earth would you put KIA wheels on a Lamborghini......?!?!?!?!? They have the means too $$$$$$ Quote
Super User slonezp Posted August 19, 2018 Super User Posted August 19, 2018 2 hours ago, 18RangerZ520L said: Very true, but why on earth would you put KIA wheels on a Lamborghini......?!?!?!?!? I wouldn't, but the option is available. 5-1/2 years ago I dropped some serious coin on a Lund Predator 2010, side imaging, Talon etc. Many said I was foolish spending big money on an aluminum boat. For what the Ranger Icon costs, I could have bought 2 boats and hooked the trailers up with the finest KIA wheels around. That's 40'4" of boats, 450hp in motors, and 8 chromed out KIA spinners 4 2 Quote
Super User Catt Posted August 20, 2018 Super User Posted August 20, 2018 22 hours ago, 18RangerZ520L said: It's not just a coincidence that there are 3 times as many guys in Rangers vs Bass Cats on the B.A.S.S. Elite Series. It would absolutely have nothing to do with the fact Ranger for years was the only brand allowed in B.A.S.S. tournaments. While everyone is talking standard features/options I look at the hull & performance... Ranger aint #1 in any category Quote
22RangerZ520R Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 44 minutes ago, Catt said: It would absolutely have nothing to do with the fact Ranger for years was the only brand allowed in B.A.S.S. tournaments. While everyone is talking standard features/options I look at the hull & performance... Ranger aint #1 in any category Nope that reasoning doesn't make sense... B.A.S.S. has allowed boat brands other than Ranger for over 20 years now, it's not like they just lifted that rule 3-5 years ago..... As far as hull and performance, Ranger is #1 in safety/floatation, #1 in smooth & dry ride and #1 in longevity/durability in their hull and again #1 in resale value. Now, is it the #1 "go fast" boat, no. If your main focus in a bass boat is speed, then you need to be in the sport of boat racing, not fishing.... 13 hours ago, slonezp said: I wouldn't, but the option is available. 5-1/2 years ago I dropped some serious coin on a Lund Predator 2010, side imaging, Talon etc. Many said I was foolish spending big money on an aluminum boat. For what the Ranger Icon costs, I could have bought 2 boats and hooked the trailers up with the finest KIA wheels around. That's 40'4" of boats, 450hp in motors, and 8 chromed out KIA spinners Using that reasoning, I could have 4 Basstracker's and 4 smaller tow vehicles for the price of my rig??? I prefer QUALITY over QUANTITY....... It's the same reason I only have 18 rods, 14 of which are Conquests. For the cost of my 14 Conquests I could have over 80+ Duckett rods or other cheaper brand... Quote
Super User Catt Posted August 20, 2018 Super User Posted August 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, 18RangerZ520L said: Nope that reasoning doesn't make sense... B.A.S.S. has allowed boat brands other than Ranger for over 20 years now, it's not like they just lifted that rule 3-5 years ago..... As far as hull and performance, Ranger is #1 in safety/floatation, #1 in smooth & dry ride and #1 in longevity/durability in their hull and again #1 in resale value. Now, is it the #1 "go fast" boat, no. If your main focus in a bass boat is speed, then you need to be in the sport of boat racing, not fishing.... The rule was in effect long enough to give Ranger an unfair advantage! #1 in smooth & dry ride...funny right there! Smooth/dry ride has a whole lot to do with operator! #1 in longevity/durability? How ya figure that? Ranger is #1 in price I aint got nuthin against Ranger they're a solid, well built boat but ya gonna change me more than everyone else ya better offer more than name. 1 Quote
22RangerZ520R Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, Catt said: The rule was in effect long enough to give Ranger an unfair advantage! #1 in smooth & dry ride...funny right there! Smooth/dry ride has a whole lot to do with operator! #1 in longevity/durability? How ya figure that? Ranger is #1 in price I aint got nuthin against Ranger they're a solid, well built boat but ya gonna change me more than everyone else ya better offer more than name. The rule was in effect for less time than it's not been in effect..... Giving other brands over 20 years to "bounce back" from the "unfair advantage". Yes operator input contributes to a dry ride some, but hull design contributes to it as well. I see a lot more older Rangers still out there than any other brand Ranger probably is #1 in price, but you get what you pay for. As mentioned above by someone else, other name brand boats aren't far behind in price when similarly equipped. And I have nothing against Bass Cat's... 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted August 20, 2018 Super User Posted August 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, 18RangerZ520L said: Ranger probably is #1 in price, but you get what you pay for An over priced boat ? 19 minutes ago, 18RangerZ520L said: I see a lot more older Rangers still out there than any other brand Other than Skeeter but both have been around longer. Quote
22RangerZ520R Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 52 minutes ago, Catt said: An over priced boat ? So this $83,996 Bass Cat is reasonably priced.......?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? https://www.boattrader.com/listing/2018-bass-cat-boats-jaguar-103121089/ And it just has 9" graphs!!! LOL You add two Lowrance 16's or two Humminbird Solix 15's and you're getting close to the Icon price..... (The Icon comes STANDARD with a 16"/15" graph at the console and a 12" graph at the bow btw). Quote
Crappiebasser Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 I have always been a Ranger loyalist and currently own an 08 Z520 and and old 393v but will not buy another new one. I have seen too many cut corners and shoddy work on Trackers and Nitros. Producing a quality product is a culture within a company and I don't believe Johnny Morris fosters that. Just my opinion. 1 Quote
22RangerZ520R Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Crappiebasser said: I have always been a Ranger loyalist and currently own an 08 Z520 and and old 393v but will not buy another new one. I have seen too many cut corners and shoddy work on Trackers and Nitros. Producing a quality product is a culture within a company and I don't believe Johnny Morris fosters that. Just my opinion. I owned a 2009 Z520 (a pre-Johnny Morris Ranger) prior to my current "Johnny Morris Ranger" and I see the same quality in the build, no "down grade" in quality.... Quote
Crappiebasser Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Just now, 18RangerZ520L said: I owned a 2009 Z520 (a pre-Johnny Morris Ranger) prior to my current "Johnny Morris Ranger" and I see the same quality in the build, no "down grade" in quality.... I'm glad you're happy with yours. Quote
22RangerZ520R Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Crappiebasser said: I'm glad you're happy with yours. Very happy! Quote
Super User J Francho Posted August 20, 2018 Super User Posted August 20, 2018 23 hours ago, Gundog said: others its a unnecessary but reassuring item Unnecessary? What if YOU cause damage to another boat or personal injury to someone else on the water? Who do you think will cover that? 1 Quote
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