New Sufix Advanced Co-Polymer Mono

[Hulkster]

ok but just because a mono or copoly have the same diameter doesn't necessarily mean they have the same breaking strength.

 

for example, I would be willing to bet that 0.015" Big game is harder to break than say, 0.015" trilene XL

[Paul Roberts]

On 2/27/2019 at 8:34 AM, Choporoz said:

Copolymer mono...looks like someone in marketing was playing with us...like stereophonic mono?

Monofilament simply means a single strand, vs multi-strand, which is usually braided. Monos can be made from a mix of polymers (essentially plastics).

On 2/27/2019 at 8:48 AM, J Francho said:

Why can't a monofilament line be made from a copolymer?  The first means single filament, the second refers to the formulation of the single filament.  Not everything is marketing.  Sometimes companies actually tell you what their products are and do.  Believe it or not, some genuinely want to create a better product.  That's how profitable companies are run.  Not by making things up.  By the way, most nylon monofilaments these days are copolymers.

My comment did not mean that manufacturers don't care about making good products. Diameter is straightforward to measure. Break strength is not. A number of variables appear to make a straight comparison difficult in real world fishing: whether line is wet of dry, knot strength, abrasion resistance, and manageability requirements. This makes fitting a given line formula to a given angler tough to do, esp against all the competition out there.

 

What I'm calling attention to is the diameter of any said "12lb" line. They can vary greatly in diameter, and therefore break strength. If you look at break tests you'll see that, when lines are adjusted for diameter, they are ballpark close in tensile strength. They are highly competitive and virtually interchangeable. But break ratings provided by manufacturers on the box are all over the place, bc diameters are not held constant!

 

As an example, Trilene XL 12lb is .012, while Trilene XT 12lb is .015. This is not unprecedented in the industry. Most "abrasion resistant" lines are a heck of a lot thicker than their "manageable" counterparts. And they break at a much higher value. And, yes, they are more abrasion resistant, especially when wet -which is what counts. But the effects on presentation makes comparing a "12lb" line with another "12lb" line, essentially dead in the water.

 

Is this deceitful on the part of manufacturers? I doubt it. I actually wouldn't know what it takes to market something as potentially frustrating as fishing line to a public that doesn't really want to know all the details, but just wants to go catch some fish. At least at the scale a manufacturer's viewpoint. But when I sold mono fishing lines at a tackle shop, I at least compared them by diameter. After that, we could start talking additional properties.

 

In terms of presentation (depth, speed, action, water disturbance, etc) diameter rules. Diameter also accounts for a greater proportion of all "fishability" properties we buy lines for. I've simply come to ignore "break rating" and compare mono lines by diameter. I don't really know what manufacturers are thinking when they take a line that breaks at 17lbs and measures .015", and label it a "12lb" line. I'm baffled by that one. Have been for... decades now.

 

Another case in point. Berkley Vanish FC ended up hated by bass fishers, bc it broke. But, it's a manageable FC; A "walleye" line. The only bass guys not complaining about Vanish I noticed were using 14lb or 17lb. Then came Berkley's "bass" formula, dubbed "100%". It was under-rated in break strength, like XT to XL. No problem, I just used the "6lb" as an "8lb" and the "8lb" as a "10lb", etc..

 

But... why? Is it an attempt to add choice, that really scarcely exists? This is not to say that lines aren't continuing to evolve, and I'm all for the innovation. But reliance on "lb test" without regard to diameter is a head-scratcher.

 

When I go to buy a new line, I look at diameter. It'll account for more properties we buy mono lines for than any other property, and is the primary influence on presentation. After diameter, we can look at other properties different line formula's possess.

[J Francho]

Remember that flat line meant only for casting?  That stuff was terrible.

[Paul Roberts]

On 2/27/2019 at 6:08 PM, Hulkster said:

ok but just because a mono or copoly have the same diameter doesn't necessarily mean they have the same breaking strength.

 

for example, I would be willing to bet that 0.015" Big game is harder to break than say, 0.015" trilene XL

I would guess that BG and XL have similar tensile strengths. But BG is/was meant to lean toward shock resistance while XL leaned toward manageability. Formulas do get updated however. All lines now have more impact resistance ("toughness") built in at the molecular level.

 

Not sure how XL compares anymore. I haven't used it for years now. I went to XT, (which appears to have changed quite a bit over the years) and have been using Sensation, pretty much interchangeably with XT, as well.

[Elkins45]

3 hours ago, J Francho said:

Remember that flat line meant only for casting?  That stuff was terrible.

I do. It was a flattened oval in cross section. I used it once. It was sort of like casting with zip ties.

[keagbassr]

22 hours ago, Elkins45 said:

I do. It was a flattened oval in cross section. I used it once. It was sort of like casting with zip ties.

Oh man! I remember that crap. Think it was called stren 7/20, or something like that.

[Paul Roberts]

The only good use I knew of for "flat" mono, was when used for "monofilament nymphing", or bait fishing, using fly-fishing gear, which helped in fishing deep, esp in really cold water, when fly-lines were too thick, and would ice up. Flat mono was less apt to tangle in hand so you could strip it in, like you would with fly-lines. I didn't know it was ever used for conventional tackle. I assume it would be a nightmare on spinning tackle! For mono-nymphing, I just went to spinning tackle, or levelwind gear (steelhead). I was never married to my fly-tackle, as much as I loved FF.

[BobbyBBass]

Hey Guys I have been using it for reaction baits mostly cranking and spinnerbaits and its been amazing you have to go by diameter not pound , Its bigger then others i have been using  6 ,8 , and 10 for deep cranking and 10 and 12 for shallow and lipless with great results .. Cast great and i like it better then floro ..

[zell_pop1]

On 8/15/2018 at 4:53 AM, nighthawk25 said:

Mine just broke randomly. The areas I was fishing were deep and there wasn't rock or brush there either.

Did you have an overrun? Fluoro breaks in the spool after you've had one. It is why I quit using Yo Zuri , random breaks in the spool not the knot, especially with 12lb up Yo Zuri which is management challenged. I did try Trilene 100% and had the same problem. 

[nighthawk25]

On 6/21/2019 at 8:37 PM, zell_pop1 said:

Did you have an overrun? Fluoro breaks in the spool after you've had one. It is why I quit using Yo Zuri , random breaks in the spool not the knot, especially with 12lb up Yo Zuri which is management challenged. I did try Trilene 100% and had the same problem. 

Yeah probably. I wasnt very experienced with baitcasters yet.

[Jigsaw 2/8]

On 8/14/2018 at 2:40 PM, nighthawk25 said:

I've tried Vanish, after checking other reviews I saw I wasn't the only one. So I decided to go with a better quality, the Sniper FC and had the same results. Line breaking 15-20 yds from the crankbait and also a few knot issues which were likely my fault.

Vanish is garbage.. the only Fluorocarbon I use is sunline sniper. From 3lb - 25lb

Trout to Striper 

[dodgeguy]

Sufix Advance Mono is the lowest stretch mono I've ever seen. It's not even close. I love the stuff. Casts great no break offs. Fairly invisible . Extremely sensitive for a mono or flourocarbon line. Abrasion resistance is awesome over rocks.

[txchaser]

After going through three or four regular spools, I just bought two 1200 yard spools because I like it that much. With the exception of when there's a very specific need for flouro, I use it on about everything. Little bit more dense than mono. Like other posters have mentioned, the line is oversized for its rating. 

Advance Mono 10lb is 0.30, compared to tatsu 12 at .285 or 15 at .330. A little smaller than Big Game, at the same rating.

 

It is actually lower stretch than mono or flouro (flouro isn't low stretch, that's straight BS). 

 

A tip/warning - improved uni is really strong on this, SDJ breaks at half the line strength. 

[MN Fisher]

13 minutes ago, txchaser said:

It is actually lower stretch than mono or flouro (flouro isn't low stretch, that's straight BS). 

Ya, everything I've read indicates that FC just starts stretching later than the same pound-test of nylon-mono. It'll stretch just as much...just takes more force to start that stretch process.

[Steveo-1969]

On 2/15/2021 at 9:49 PM, dodgeguy said:

Sufix Advance Mono is the lowest stretch mono I've ever seen. It's not even close. I love the stuff. Casts great no break offs. Fairly invisible . Extremely sensitive for a mono or flourocarbon line. Abrasion resistance is awesome over rocks.

^^^ This! I’ve used 10# Sufix Advance mono on a finesse jig baitcaster and loved it! Low stretch, abrasion resistant, limp, casts great, sensitive. Can’t say enough about this line!

[Westcoast]

I tried it, as I was lured by the ‘less stretch’ claims. It’s diameters were large, it tended to have a bunch of memory and I really didn’t notice the lack of stretch. So for my copoly needs I’m back to maxima ultragreen. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it....

[optimator]

I ordered a spool of 12# today. I've used Siege & Elite for a few years now and really like them both. We'll see how the new stuff performs. 

[MN Fisher]

I picked up some 10# that I'll be trying on a couple of reels. Since I use KVD on any non-braid line, we'll see how it goes.

[michaelb]

I like Sufix Advance Mono best of the mono lines I have tried. So it handles better than siege and does have less stretch than elite; also better than pline cx and cxx. Those are the main mono/hybrids I have tried over the years.

[Bluebasser86]

I bought a spool of 10# to try for cranking and jerkbaits. We'll see how it goes.

[MN Fisher]

1 minute ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I bought a spool of 10# to try for cranking and jerkbaits. We'll see how it goes.

Let us know how it goes - I'm looking to spool up my spinning-crank rig with 10# for the lighter cranks/jerks my FR705CB can't toss well.

[Hammer 4]

Just a heads up, TW is out of the most popular test's. Looks like March 21 is the date they will get more.

[optimator]

6 hours ago, Hammer 4 said:

Just a heads up, TW is out of the most popular test's. Looks like March 21 is the date they will get more.

Discount tackle has the clear on everything but 17. They have the green in 6, 17, 20 &25. 

[MN Fisher]

5 minutes ago, optimator said:

Discount tackle has the clear on everything but 17. They have the green in 6, 17, 20 &25. 

Fish USA has filler spools in 4, 6, 8, 17, 20, &25 in clear, everything but 14 in lo-vis Green.

[padon]

i think i may give this stuff a shot on my casting reels. ive been using invisx and im happy with it but i always wonder if im being fooled paying 24 bucks for a spool of line. i just wanna see if its got good sensitivity and if i feel like it stretches on hook sets. any particular knot you guys like? i usually tie a san diego jam.