New Sufix Advanced Co-Polymer Mono

[Hulkster]

anyone tried this yet? As I huge lover of Sufix Siege for both casting and spinning, the 50% less stretch properties of this mono has me intrigued.

 

the few scattered reviews I have found online are so far very positive but I'm curious as to what the experts (all of you) actually think.

 

Thanks

 

 

[GReb]

Someone on YouTube did a very in depth review and gave it a positive score. I don’t remember exactly who it was but it shouldn’t be hard to find. 

[Stephen B]

I used Suffix Advanced co-polymer with no issues at all. It seems to be very good line, but I was not blown away with it. But I definitely think it's worth trying to form your own opinion. 

[Choporoz]

Not familiar with it.  What should we be comparing it to?

[Tim Kelly]

I've got a few hours in on some 6lb on my ned rod. I like it. it's well behaved, I've had no unexplained break offs or problems with twist. Not sure it's that revolutionary, I think it's a bit more sensitive than P line CXX, but it's hard to be absolute about it when I fish with such a slack line most of the time. I will get more when I've used the 6 up. I have some 15 that I haven't spooled up yet.

[Stephen B]

49 minutes ago, Tim Kelly said:

I've got a few hours in on some 6lb on my ned rod. I like it. it's well behaved, I've had no unexplained break offs or problems with twist. Not sure it's that revolutionary, I think it's a bit more sensitive than P line CXX, but it's hard to be absolute about it when I fish with such a slack line most of the time. I will get more when I've used the 6 up. I have some 15 that I haven't spooled up yet.

Your experience is very similar to mine thus far. I'll keep using it for a bit and see if my opinion changes any.

[Hulkster]

 

This is probably the in depth review mentioned earlier. Looks like awesome stuff.

 

Now my question is how strong is it compared to Siege? last week i got my mepps #5 spinner caught in some rocks and the hook bent before my 12 pound Siege broke and I got my lure back. Made a believer out of me (note: knot used was a palomar knot). Is it just as strong?

[Brad in Texas]

I've watched several reviews, all give it fairly positive assessments, remarks.

 

Interesting, this one, as co-polymers go. With the added material common to braids. It is claimed they use a magnetic source to draw these fibers outward on the line as it is extruded. Many of you know that this is why re-bar or now often one sees fiberglass fibers are added to give concrete strength. Perhaps, the same objective is being used here.

 

One thing for sure and that is Sufix generally produces above average products.

 

So, what would we use it for, what applications? I think it could be a great line for various finesse techniques, certainly on spinning reels.

 

What will make it take off and sell really well is if it behaves on casting reels. Co-polymers could be the wave of the future if it catches a few breaks, another few innovations happen. 

 

Brad

 

 

 

 

[nighthawk25]

I just spooled up some 10 and 12# the other night and haven't used it yet. I did try to test the stretch on the 12#. It had roughly the same amount as Sunline Sniper FC 12#. It had about 50% the stretch of Big Game 12#. I've got my fingers crossed that it'll work on my crankin' rod. (me & fluorocarbon don't get along)

[Stephen B]

6 minutes ago, nighthawk25 said:

I just spooled up some 10 and 12# the other night and haven't used it yet. I did try to test the stretch on the 12#. It had roughly the same amount as Sunline Sniper FC 12#. It had about 50% the stretch of Big Game 12#. I've got my fingers crossed that it'll work on my crankin' rod. (me & fluorocarbon don't get along)

Interesting. Why don't you get along with fluorocarbon? Which fluorocarbon have you tried?

[nighthawk25]

I've tried Vanish, after checking other reviews I saw I wasn't the only one. So I decided to go with a better quality, the Sniper FC and had the same results. Line breaking 15-20 yds from the crankbait and also a few knot issues which were likely my fault.

[Stephen B]

23 minutes ago, nighthawk25 said:

I've tried Vanish, after checking other reviews I saw I wasn't the only one. So I decided to go with a better quality, the Sniper FC and had the same results. Line breaking 15-20 yds from the crankbait and also a few knot issues which were likely my fault.

That is interesting. I have yet to have a problem from Seaguar or Sunline. Did you notice any abrasion issues or did it just random broke?

 

The knot issue is fairly easy to solve. Tie a double pitzen knot. You can go to YouTube for a demonstration. It's a phenomenal knot. 

[Hulkster]

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What will make it take off and sell really well is if it behaves on casting reels.

Are other Copolymer lines known to be troublesome on casting gear? I was always under the impression that they could be stiff and therefore not well behaved on spinning gear, but I thought all was good with casting gear?

[J Francho]

Depenmds on each formula.  KVD L&L helps tame the worst offenders like my favorite CXX.

[Steve1357]

I'm tickled using the inexpensive Sufix Tritanium copolymer you get at Academy. The 10 thru 20lb has worked great for me.

[nighthawk25]

13 hours ago, Stephen B said:

That is interesting. I have yet to have a problem from Seaguar or Sunline. Did you notice any abrasion issues or did it just random broke?

 

The knot issue is fairly easy to solve. Tie a double pitzen knot. You can go to YouTube for a demonstration. It's a phenomenal knot. 

Mine just broke randomly. The areas I was fishing were deep and there wasn't rock or brush there either.

[J Francho]

18 hours ago, nighthawk25 said:

I've tried Vanish, after checking other reviews I saw I wasn't the only one. So I decided to go with a better quality, the Sniper FC and had the same results. Line breaking 15-20 yds from the crankbait and also a few knot issues which were likely my fault.

Check you guides for chips with a cotton swab.

[new2BC4bass]

17 hours ago, Hulkster said:

Are other Copolymer lines known to be troublesome on casting gear? I was always under the impression that they could be stiff and therefore not well behaved on spinning gear, but I thought all was good with casting gear?

Try some AN40.

[Paul Roberts]

No idea. But, if you zoom up to the image above you'll see that the "12lb" has a diameter of .014". That's akin to 14lb Trilene XL, or Stren original. The only way to compare lines is by diameter. Break ratings are marketing categories, not real data.

[Choporoz]

Copolymer mono...looks like someone in marketing was playing with us...like stereophonic mono?

[J Francho]

7 minutes ago, Paul Roberts said:

Break ratings are marketing categories, not real data.

Not always.  "Test" ratings are different than break strengths.  Some are true.  For instance, Seaguar Finesse.  That's how you get weird break strengths, like 7.2 lbs. for a 6# size line.  Daiwa and Maxima are two other that I know of that are accurate.  If you are so inclined to spend $40, IGFA will perform tests.

 

https://igfa.org/line-testing/

[Brad Reid]

8 minutes ago, Paul Roberts said:

No idea. But, if you zoom up to the image above you'll see that the "12lb" has a diameter of .014". That's akin to 14lb Trilene XL, or Stren original. The only way to compare lines is by diameter. Break ratings are marketing categories, not real data.

Paul is "spot on" here regarding what we all need to use for making line comparisons: line size.

 

There is a well-known formulaic relationship between the cross-sectional area of a line or a rope or even a human muscle . . . and its tensile strength.

 

Comparing a .14" line diameter to another with, say, .16", this irrespective of stated test strength claims, is "apples and oranges."

 

Brad

[J Francho]

26 minutes ago, Choporoz said:

Copolymer mono...looks like someone in marketing was playing with us...like stereophonic mono?

Why can't a monofilament line be made from a copolymer?  The first means single filament, the second refers to the formulation of the single filament.  Not everything is marketing.  Sometimes companies actually tell you what their products are and do.  Believe it or not, some genuinely want to create a better product.  That's how profitable companies are run.  Not by making things up.  By the way, most nylon monofilaments these days are copolymers.

[NYWayfarer]

21 minutes ago, Choporoz said:

Copolymer mono...looks like someone in marketing was playing with us...like stereophonic mono?

That's a genuine imitation line.

[WRB]

On August 14, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Hulkster said:

 

This is probably the in depth review mentioned earlier. Looks like awesome stuff.

 

Now my question is how strong is it compared to Siege? last week i got my mepps #5 spinner caught in some rocks and the hook bent before my 12 pound Siege broke and I got my lure back. Made a believer out of me (note: knot used was a palomar knot). Is it just as strong?

All you need to know is on the label, line diameter. I did a line dia comparison back in July 2018 in Monofilament Line.

 

Tom