8 carrier braid for flipping

[Beetlebz]

I've been doing a ton of reading, can't really find what I'm after. I recently put into service a dedicated frog/flipping stick. I'm using 65lb PP because that's what I had handy on another reel, just spooled it on backwards.

 

I've always ever used regular PP, it works and its never failed me. I stopped using it in lighter weights for literally everything because 1) twice I wound up with tiny knots in the line after picking out a backlash or loose wraps and 2) the feeling of the coarse braid under my thumb is like fingernails on corduroy. Makes my skin crawl. I've been shopping for an alternative. I was going to grab some maxcuatro but it's still a 4 carrier braid which doesnt excite me.

 

Is there any reason I can't use sufix 832 for flipping frogging and punching? I use it on my spinning rods, the 832 has been perfectly durable. It seems like the internet is full of articles saying that you need 4 carrier braid for heavy cover, but not one that I found saying why.

[NHBull]

832 is fine

If you are looking for 4 strand, look to Gamma

Fins also puts out a great product 

[keagbassr]

832 is all I use as well for pitching and punching never a problem

[Fishing_FF]

2 hours ago, keagbassr said:

832 is all I use as well for pitching and punching never a problem

 

Ditto.

[Texan89]

I have a spool of seagar 65lb Flippin braid. It’s 8 carrier (think it’s Radial as well but don’t quote me on that). I haven’t put it on a reel yet but it feels high quality to me and is nice and smooth to the touch. It’s pricey but I wanted to give it a try and I like the 50lb seagar smackdown braid which I have cast and it is nice. 

[Catt]

TUF Line Domin8 Braided Line ?

[CroakHunter]

832 is a quality line that should work good. I've been using kastking super power and it works great for a good price

[Beetlebz]

Well now I'm curious. Once I saw the price of the seguar flippin braid, I was all set to order some camo green 832 but I started looking at that TUF Domin8. I've never even looked at it before. @Catt why would you choose Domin8 over 832 if I may ask? In 50lb the domin8 is thinner by a hair but theres no difference at 65lb. 

[MisterDeadeye]

You actually answered your question about why some people suggest and prefer 4 carrier braid for heavy cover. Because it's coarse, the line works more like a saw. It's abrasive and cuts through vegetation more easily. On the other hand, 8 carrier braid is smoother and rounder so it casts better.

 

I guess it depends on what you consider cover. If you're throwing around wood or rocks, the smoother braid could be helpful because it's less like to catch(like on your finger) and start fraying. Then obviously if you've got grasses or weeds on top or under the water surface, the abrasive nature of coarse braid helps. But don't get me wrong, even something like Sufix 832 will cut through vegetation more than fluorocarbon/mono. 

[Catt]

5 hours ago, Beetlebz said:

 why would you choose Domin8 over 832 if I may ask? 

 

First let's address 4 carrier working like a saw!

 

Abrasion works both ways!

 

While your line is cutting grass the grass is abrading your line!

 

Why TUF Line?

 

Western Filament, Inc. pioneered UHMWPE braided fishing lines

 

They have been in business for over 75 Years

 

Made in America

 

Western Filament, Inc., manufactures a large variety of products that are used in high-tech industries including medical, automotive, motor manufacturing, aerospace, military, and many other textile markets.

[MisterDeadeye]

Sure, abrasion works both ways to some degree, but hardness and surface finish are the main factors here. Go rub a piece of wood against a rock for an hour and tell me how much damage you did to the rock. Take a low grit whetstone and drag it across your arm and tell me how much damage you did to the stone. Go slide on your knees across pavement and tell me about how you totally destroyed the road.

 

I'd argue that 4 carrier braid, or at least a coarse braid, stands up better against grasses exactly because of the coarseness. Where a smooth braid will allow a blade of grass(or whatever kind of vegetation) to rub against it until you pull hard enough to actually cut through, a coarse braid will catch, and because it's a harder material, these waves in the line will naturally dig in to the grass like a saw. You can test this by grabbing a cheese grater and rubbing steel wool up and down. One way, the edges will catch on the steel wool and start to pull it apart. The other way, you'll just be scratching the metal surface very lightly.

 

Every moving thing that comes into contact with another thing is technically abrading through friction. Either way, tests have shown that standard Power Pro has higher abrasion resistance than Sufix 832, and the fact that it's also more abrasive and well suited for vegetation is undeniable. That doesn't make 832 bad, it's just not as good, and I have absolutely no knowledge about the line you're suggesting, so I can't comment on it.

 

The test that I saw most recently suggested that a braid by Cortland(I think) took second place behind PP. Sufix 832 was in the top 5 I believe, but there were only ~15 lines tested.

[Catt]

2 hours ago, MisterDeadeye said:

Go rub a piece of wood against a rock for an hour and tell me how much damage you did to the rock.

 

That's really the two ya wanna compare?

 

Fishing heavy vegetation shouldn't require one to "saw" back-n-forth. 

 

Ya stick em, turn their head, & get em coming up in one single motion!

 

Here's some research, 4 carrier "saws" on the way up, it hangs on the way down. Ya just made a flip, ya think ya on the bottom...ya aint!

[junyer357]

I stick with power pro slick 8 for all my braid use. I prefer the yellow as well for line watching. 

[Texan89]

1 hour ago, junyer357 said:

I stick with power pro slick 8 for all my braid use. I prefer the yellow as well for line watching. 

I have slick 8 on one of my rigs and love it... really want to get my hands on some slick 8 v2 when it comes out.

[MisterDeadeye]

7 hours ago, Catt said:

 

Here's some research, 4 carrier "saws" on the way up, it hangs on the way down. Ya just made a flip, ya think ya on the bottom...ya aint!

I pointed out that 4 carrier braid is more likely to catch on things, and it's obvious by looking at the structure of the two. I don't understand your argument. You're just throwing out these one liners as if they mean anything at all.

 

The OP said that no articles they read explained why 4 carrier braid is recommended so often for vegetation and I gave the explanation. It's physics, not an opinion, and I explained the upside and the downside, as well as saying that the difference isn't that big of a deal. What's the point of trying to argue with this?

[Beetlebz]

I think I've decided to give the Domin8 a try. It's that or 832.. might as well try something new and they're the same price-ish on tackle warehouse. Thanks!

[Beetlebz]

I shopped around, I found alot of places selling the 125 yard spools of Domin8 for around 8 bucks. I couldn't resist.

 

It came in today and I just spooled up the Domin8 50lb dark green braid on my frog/flippin rod. It's not as smooth as 832 but it doesnt have that waxy coating which is nice. What I do have to say is WOW.. this stuff is THIN. To look at the numbers on tackle warehouse I expected it to be thinner, but this is silly. I'm sure it's all perception but I feel like it's as thin as the 30lb 832 on one of my spinning reels. I am impressed. I can't wait to get out on the water and see how it holds up.

 

Thanks @Catt