Chance_Taker4 Posted August 5, 2018 Author Posted August 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Maico1 said: Certainly not how I would test a DC reel for brake failure however it makes total sense to me. A DC reel requires a startup inertia in order to get the DC Module to perform . For someone not familiar with a DC reel and to apply light casting tactics out of the box you will get the same result and think the Module is not performing. DC reels have not been known for there light casting techniques because it needs that startup inertia however that can be accomplished if you play with them long enough. So in all do respect you have not convinced me and should not convince anyone else based on how you tested the reel there is a problem with them...Being someone who has fished with DC reels since they have come out I also question how much the Authorized Dealer you state actually knows about them....... I am in no way discouraging anyone from buying the reel. I still plan on buying one myself. I simply said it looks like there is a problem with the first few released reels. There are a lot of positive reviews that make me think it was a slip in QC. The release date for these were September but the demand had Shimano trying to release early which overworked the employees and caused a slip in QC. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted August 5, 2018 Posted August 5, 2018 Stuff happens and I'm sure they'll make good. But I can't help but think if this was ABU or god help us quantum, it would be all pitchforks and torches. Lol 1 Quote
MisterDeadeye Posted August 5, 2018 Posted August 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said: Stuff happens and I'm sure they'll make good. But I can't help but think if this was ABU or god help us quantum, it would be all pitchforks and torches. Lol I'm asking myself what I would be thinking if it were KastKing. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted August 5, 2018 Posted August 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, MisterDeadeye said: I'm asking myself what I would be thinking if it were KastKing. Armageddon 1 Quote
Chance_Taker4 Posted August 7, 2018 Author Posted August 7, 2018 UPDATE........I am a proud owner of a Curado DC. Shop owner called me last night to come out after work so I did. Shimano rep was there earlier in the day and said there was a unit of 250 reels that left the factory with the brakes not installed properly and they have in narrowed down to a distribution facility in Michigan. Rep fixed all the reels at the shop and left. This would be why the complaints I seen where on local forums. I tested the reel out as I did over the weekend flipping and light sidearm casting and it worked beautifully, no thumbing required at all. 3 Quote
kenmitch Posted August 7, 2018 Posted August 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Chance_Taker4 said: UPDATE........I am a proud owner of a Curado DC. Shop owner called me last night to come out after work so I did. Shimano rep was there earlier in the day and said there was a unit of 250 reels that left the factory with the brakes not installed properly and they have in narrowed down to a distribution facility in Michigan. Rep fixed all the reels at the shop and left. This would be why the complaints I seen where on local forums. I tested the reel out as I did over the weekend flipping and light sidearm casting and it worked beautifully, no thumbing required at all. Nice to see the issue was fixed in a timely manner and you got your DC in hand to play around with. Too bad some had to jump all over you for even bringing up the issue.....Hopefully they won't demand a letter from the Daiwa rep for proof. 1 Quote
AirborneNautilus Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 Out of curiosity, how tight are you guys setting the spool tension? I tightened mine as per included instructions (enough to prevent side to side wiggle) and then another 20 to 30 degree rotation of the tension knob, but I'm not getting the no thumb performance on any break settings. The reel is spooled with 12 lb yozuri hybrid and I've tried throwing several lures in the 3/8 to 1 oz range. On setting 1 with ideal conditions (no wind), I immediately get a backlash on casting. 2 is a bit better, but I have to thumb it a bit before the lure hits the water. 4 is the best, but lacks some serious distance. Not sure whether I didn't set it up properly or if I received a reel with an issue. It's noteworthy that this is my first shimano reel. I'm not sure if the setup or casting technique is supposed to be different from my daiwas. Quote
DINK WHISPERER Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 On 8/4/2018 at 2:05 PM, BaitFinesse said: If there is a problem they will get it hammered out like the thumb bar fix on the regular K. This is why it is risky to early adopt. What was wrong with the thumb bar on the K? I have a couple of those reels. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted August 8, 2018 Super User Posted August 8, 2018 On 8/7/2018 at 9:31 AM, Chance_Taker4 said: UPDATE........I am a proud owner of a Curado DC. Shop owner called me last night to come out after work so I did. Shimano rep was there earlier in the day and said there was a unit of 250 reels that left the factory with the brakes not installed properly and they have in narrowed down to a distribution facility in Michigan. Rep fixed all the reels at the shop and left. This would be why the complaints I seen where on local forums. I tested the reel out as I did over the weekend flipping and light sidearm casting and it worked beautifully, no thumbing required at all. This sounds weird to me. There aren't "brakes" on a DC reel that can be installed - correctly or not. Flipping doesn't involve the reel at all. Pitching doesn't generate enough inertia to get the DC going. Side arm barely gets it going. I've used DC reels, and this has been my experience. I've serviced DC reels, and know that other than the sensor window being gunked up (an issue they seem to have resolved) there's nothing to service. What store was this? I think the owner isn't telling the truth. If there was an issue with DC braking, they would have to go back to the factory. There's nothing anyone can do to service the braking system in the field. I also think you need to actually make a normal force cast to realize the full benefits of DC. 8 1 1 Quote
Super User Dwight Hottle Posted August 8, 2018 Super User Posted August 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, J Francho said: This sounds weird to me. There aren't "brakes" on a DC reel that can be installed - correctly or not. Flipping doesn't involve the reel at all. Pitching doesn't generate enough inertia to get the DC going. Side arm barely gets it going. I've used DC reels, and this has been my experience. I've serviced DC reels, and know that other than the sensor window being gunked up (an issue they seem to have resolved) there's nothing to service. What store was this? I think the owner isn't telling the truth. If there was an issue with DC braking, they would have to go back to the factory. There's nothing anyone can do to service the braking system in the field. I also think you need to actually make a normal force cast to realize the full benefits of DC. And the plot thickens. 2 3 Quote
Chance_Taker4 Posted August 8, 2018 Author Posted August 8, 2018 33 minutes ago, J Francho said: This sounds weird to me. There aren't "brakes" on a DC reel that can be installed - correctly or not. Flipping doesn't involve the reel at all. Pitching doesn't generate enough inertia to get the DC going. Side arm barely gets it going. I've used DC reels, and this has been my experience. I've serviced DC reels, and know that other than the sensor window being gunked up (an issue they seem to have resolved) there's nothing to service. What store was this? I think the owner isn't telling the truth. If there was an issue with DC braking, they would have to go back to the factory. There's nothing anyone can do to service the braking system in the field. I also think you need to actually make a normal force cast to realize the full benefits of DC. Now you have me nervous. I was taking the shop owners word as to what was "fixed" or "broken," I have never used a DC reel and it made sense to me what I was being told. There were no other DC reels on the shelf as there previously were behind the counter when I got there. I assumed he sold out. Now I'm wondering IF a rep even came as I was told and if so did he take the defective reels with him. The more I think about this the nervous I get. It is a relatively new shop maybe 4 months old and claims to be a Authorized Shimano and Abu Garcia dealer but has not signage saying so just hand written signs. Also a couple for the negative reviews I read came from other people who bought reels from his shop. Something is telling me most of the problems are coming from the store not the product. I'm not sure how to feel about this. 1 hour ago, AirborneNautilus said: Out of curiosity, how tight are you guys setting the spool tension? I tightened mine as per included instructions (enough to prevent side to side wiggle) and then another 20 to 30 degree rotation of the tension knob, but I'm not getting the no thumb performance on any break settings. The reel is spooled with 12 lb yozuri hybrid and I've tried throwing several lures in the 3/8 to 1 oz range. On setting 1 with ideal conditions (no wind), I immediately get a backlash on casting. 2 is a bit better, but I have to thumb it a bit before the lure hits the water. 4 is the best, but lacks some serious distance. Not sure whether I didn't set it up properly or if I received a reel with an issue. It's noteworthy that this is my first shimano reel. I'm not sure if the setup or casting technique is supposed to be different from my daiwas. This sounds exactly like my initial experience and what I heard from other people. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted August 8, 2018 Super User Posted August 8, 2018 I don't think it was broken at all. Has anyone confirmed anything with Shimano. I'd call support, but I don't have anything but second hand information. 2 Quote
Maico1 Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 51 minutes ago, J Francho said: This sounds weird to me. There aren't "brakes" on a DC reel that can be installed - correctly or not. Flipping doesn't involve the reel at all. Pitching doesn't generate enough inertia to get the DC going. Side arm barely gets it going. I've used DC reels, and this has been my experience. I've serviced DC reels, and know that other than the sensor window being gunked up (an issue they seem to have resolved) there's nothing to service. What store was this? I think the owner isn't telling the truth. If there was an issue with DC braking, they would have to go back to the factory. There's nothing anyone can do to service the braking system in the field. I also think you need to actually make a normal force cast to realize the full benefits of DC. Very well said..... I did call Shimano and they know nothing about it....If 250 reels were bad they would know and certainly a Factory Rep would not be fixing them in the field. 2 Quote
Logan S Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 My thought on all this was that lots of people saw the video of the guy casting at the wall and thought the DC would be magic...Allowing them cast full distance with no thumb input. When they winged that first cast out there and backlashed, they thought it was a faulty reel. DC is cool and there are some situations where I think it really shines, but as a general reel day in and day out I doubt the average user would find it to be a huge 'game changer'. I say this a Shimano fan and owner of multiple DC reels. 2 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted August 8, 2018 Super User Posted August 8, 2018 30 minutes ago, Maico1 said: I did call Shimano and they know nothing about it....If 250 reels were bad they would know and certainly a Factory Rep would not be fixing them in the field. That's what I'm thinking. On 8/4/2018 at 8:51 PM, Chance_Taker4 said: All from Ohio Fishing B/S/T Please send me the link to the the posts. When I search for the statements you quoted, Google only returns this thread. 1 Quote
Fishingmickey Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 Hello all, I too have been eye balling the Curado DC hard. My problem is justifying another reel purchase. I have a Scorpion DC that I really like. I have had the Scorpion almost a year now. Purchased it through Japan. It isn't bullet proof no backlashes and it will backlash more on the lighter brake settings. I am casting a light weight (1/8 oz) 5" finesse worm 3/0 straight shank hook into the wind when that happens and reaching for the fences. I don't think DC is the be all end all for no thumb casting but I do think it is a major improvement in braking systems. When I do take my sweetie fishing she uses the Scorpion DC reel and I increase the cast setting up a notch and a touch more on the tension knob and she definitely gets significantly less backlashing then when she uses my other Shimano reels. It keeps her frustration level down greatly and hopefully as she learns more how to thumb and cast a baitcaster she will enjoy fishing more. I don't think casting straight into a wall from short distance is a smart way to test a reel. Fishingmickey Quote
a1712 Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 3 hours ago, DINK WHISPERER said: What was wrong with the thumb bar on the K? I have a couple of those reels. They had a small quant. that didn't have enough glue holding the top and bottom of the thumb bar together so they were coming apart. Brian. 1 Quote
Wingman87 Posted August 9, 2018 Posted August 9, 2018 FWIW I let my brother who has never cast a “casting” reel in his life use my curado dc and on setting 4 with the tension knob set a little tighter than what the directions call for he never backlashed it once. Never even touch the spool with his thumb, not even to stop it when the lure hit the ground. With that being said I find it very difficult to not get backlashes on setting number 1. I’m still trying to get used to it and figure out where the sweet spot is but that first setting is a bear. Quote
Junger Posted August 9, 2018 Posted August 9, 2018 Best way I found to dial it in was to set the tension knob tight enough that when you drop a lure from a fixed position it doesn't backlash, then reduce it from there until you're happy. I was casting a 3/8oz weighted EWG with a Keitech ridiculously far on a 7'5 EMTF on fluoro. Dial set at 3, tension knob set just a tad looser than I described above and I'd guestimate over 90 yards. There is a section at Widewater C&O Canal, where I usually cast and it doesn't reach the other bank, but I hit the trees on the other side on a cast. I hope TW has a Labor Day sale, I'm getting another one. 1 Quote
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted August 9, 2018 BassResource.com Administrator Posted August 9, 2018 FYI, we had to remove several posts, and even suspend one guy.... all because people get all emotional over ... .... a reel. It's fishing folks. It's supposed to be fun. If your blood starts to boil over a post on a fishing site, then it's time to do a gut check; because something is seriously wrong. Just sayin' 11 Quote
Stephen B Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 On 8/9/2018 at 12:49 AM, Glenn said: FYI, we had to remove several posts, and even suspend one guy.... all because people get all emotional over ... .... a reel. It's fishing folks. It's supposed to be fun. If your blood starts to boil over a post on a fishing site, then it's time to do a gut check; because something is seriously wrong. Just sayin' Too much testosterone in one forum. Where the women at? Hahaha jk I agree with Glenn. Its important to remember that everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyones experience, budget, and preferences are not the same. We should accept them and be more helpful to others. At the end of the day we are all apart of the same BR community. Quote
MUSLENUTZ Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 Anyone have a curado dc? Mine has this weird small blemish lately almost a dent. 1 Quote
Hulkster Posted September 2, 2018 Posted September 2, 2018 Quote They had a small quant. that didn't have enough glue holding the top and bottom of the thumb bar together so they were coming apart. Brian. they had lots of problems with this, apparently they switched adhesives and the problem was corrected. but why did they have a two piece clutch button in the first place? the design used on the previous models (for example, the 200i) was perfect and didn't fall apart on you. 5 hours ago, MUSLENUTZ said: Anyone have a curado dc? Mine has this weird small blemish lately almost a dent. that's the Flux Capacitor. 1 Quote
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