Monofilament line

[WRB]

2018 appears to be the year that mono is making a comback.

Sufix Adavance is being toted as the next generation mono/Copoly with Advantage over FC and other mono line with better abrasion resistance, low stretch and sensitivity never seen before.

I thought maybe simple comparison between Sunline Deifer Copoly and Armilo Nylon would be interesting based on diameter.

Sufix Advance        Sunline Deifer

10 = .012             11 = .0108

12 = .014             13 = .0118

14 = .015             15 = .0126

17 = .016             17 = .0134

20 = .020             19 = .0142

                            22 = .0150

                            25= .0159

 

It will be interesting to follow the other mfr's offerings this year.

I prefer using diameter as a comparison because it's measurable and published on the line label.

Tom

 

 

[a1712]

Don't know when it was introduced, but for the last month I've been using Trik Fish Xrated on my bank rod. It's a copoly, 15lb. test at .013". It has some memory but disappears after a few casts, low stretch, a tad stiff, casts very well, great abrasion resistance, the sensitivity is very good(can feel Gilly pecks on slack line), the strength is extremely good and it's very reasonably priced. The only thing I can fault with it is it doesn't come in clear. Brian.

[DSTN]

The diameters for Advance look pretty much identical to Sufix Siege and Elite. All my combos are mono (mostly Siege) and braid.  Really looking forward to trying Advance. If it has similar properties to Siege but the increased feel of a fluoro it should be pretty popular. 

[Hulkster]

I love Sufix Siege. I use it on both casting gear (12 pound) and Spinning gear (10 pound). its awesome stuff IMO.

[Todd2]

9 hours ago, WRB said:

2018 appears to be the year that mono is making a comback.

Reminds me of a few years ago when I read somewhere that the Texas rig was making a comeback, I never knew it had left.

 

But it is interesting, are there different types of nylon? How are they making it more sensitive? I know there are differences in mono but have never noticed much of one in sensitivity between the brands I've used.

[BigAngus752]

Is this suitable for a baitcaster?  The Nanofil of the baitcasting world?  Or is this just just for spinning reels like Nanofil?

[J Francho]

18 minutes ago, BigAngus752 said:

Is this suitable for a baitcaster?

Yes, it's a monofilament line.

[LionHeart]

Maybe people are finally realizing that Flouro is not what all the 'Pro's were paid to say it is.

[OnthePotomac]

I guess most anglers evolve on the type of line they fish with.  I believe trends drive a lot of this and the rest is simply trial and error.   Many years ago I jumped on the braid bandwagon only to abandon it (except for frog fishing) because I just got tired of the way it behaved some of the time on the reel, or backlash, interrupting my fishing day.  For the most part I returned to mono on many of my baitcasters, but confess I do like 15lb Invizx on some of my reels.  I have four spinning reel set ups and every one is spooled with 8lb mono and it is fun to fish with. Thanks so much for the new mono post above,  It gives me something to look forward to in my preference for mono in so many cases.

[Team9nine]

Will be interesting to see if they can change some if its properties enough to make a difference. I've got ~35 combos spooled up, but only 2 have nylon based mono, so they've got some work to do to get me off fluoro (baitcast) and braid (spinning).

 

12 minutes ago, LionHeart said:

Maybe people are finally realizing that Flouro is not what all the 'Pro's were paid to say it is.

Agreed, it isn't what they touted, but still better than nylon in my book ?

[Catt]

Berkley Big Game 15# = 0.015 ?

[mattkenzer]

11 minutes ago, Catt said:

Berkley Big Game 15# = 0.015 ?

 

Catt has written this on more than one occasion so I spooled up a couple baitcasters.

 

Conclusion: Don't knock it until you try it ......

 

Works Great.

 

Thanks again.

[Tennessee Boy]

11 minutes ago, Catt said:

Berkley Big Game 15# = 0.015 ?

Sten MagnaThin 16# = 0.013 ?

[Catt]

44 minutes ago, Tennessee Boy said:

Sten MagnaThin 16# = 0.013 ?

 

Two hundredths of an inch aint enough to be concerned with!

 

My personal opinion ya get to thin then abrasion because more of a factor...less material to cut through.

[Hulkster]

I'm looking forward to trying this new Sufix line. as I said I love Siege.

 

I'm not a big fan of braid (hated wind knots on spinning gear for example and I was always nervous with leader knots and a trophy fish) so I went old school.

 

And what better way to go old school than with a new modern monofilament? (or copolymer I guess lol)

 

 

[Todd2]

Interesting, from Sufix.

 

Sufix Advance...

 

 

Sufix revolutionizes the monofilament world with an advanced monofilament that features HMPE molecules blended with nylon. HMPE molecules are the same material braided superlines are made of.

This creates a super abrasion resistant and extreme low stretch monofilament line that is also extremely supple and sensitive. Unlike other abrasion resistant lines, Sufix Advance is very supple and sensitive - a combination that has never been seen before in monofilament lines.

[Mobasser]

Lots of times plain old mono is the best. I've still not found another line that works as well on my spinning reels as mono. Hope this new line is as good as they say it will be.

[WRB]

I started out using Sunline Defier Armilo 25 lb several years ago for my big swimbaits like 8" Hudds because of random knot failures using FC of varuios mfr'd like Sunline, Seaguar and Toray, all premium lines. To date I haven't had a single lost lure do to knot or line failure with Armilo. Armilo cast better without any loss in lure feedback or missed strike detection. 

My go to mono prior to Armilo was Trilene Big Game I use for decades. Big Game is good line or exceptional at it's price but the smaller dia strong knot strength of Armilo has change my mind and today I use several lb test of Armilo. Armilo isn't offered in finesse sizes 7 lb or 9 lb unfortunitly. I use Maxima Ultra Green 5 lb for finesse and haven't had any issues the past few years. 

We will see if the claims that Sufix Advance lives up to the hype, it isn't a small dia mono, it's average.

Tom

[fishwizzard]

If Armilo came in smaller diameters and in bulk spools I would use little else.  Their 11lb is almost thin enough to work well on small spinning reels, a 7lb version would be amazing. 

[Stephen B]

4 hours ago, Team9nine said:

Will be interesting to see if they can change some if its properties enough to make a difference. I've got ~35 combos spooled up, but only 2 have nylon based mono, so they've got some work to do to get me off fluoro (baitcast) and braid (spinning).

 

Agreed, it isn't what they touted, but still better than nylon in my book ?

The key to fluoro is knowing how to tie the knots and buying a quality line (preferably Seaguar, Sunline, or Gamma). Select a line that complements what you intend to use it for as not all fluoro is equal. For example, Sunline Sniper and Sunline Shooter are completely different beasts. As, Seaguar Invizx and Abrazx are different lines designed for different applications thus have different characteristics.

 

If you tie a double Pitzen knot, Snell knot, Double Improved Clinch knot, San Diego Jam knot, etc you should never have an issue.

 

I have used a Snell knot and Pitzen knot exclusively for 3-4 years and NEVER had any trouble. Personally I agree that the benefits of flouro far outweigh the negatives. Mono has it's place in my arsenal but fluoro reigns supreme. 

[tholmes]

4 hours ago, Tennessee Boy said:

Sten MagnaThin 16# = 0.013 ?

Big Game 15# - $10/900 yds.

Stren MagnaThin 16# $10/330 yds.?

 

Tom

[Hulkster]

The Sufix monos are actually one of the thicker lines (eg. Elite, Siege and this new one are about the same thickness as Big Game) but they cast a lot better than BG because they are more limp and much more slick. 

 

I had to change knots from a clinch to a palomar knot with Siege because I was getting problems with slippage. Now with a palomar I can't break Siege lol

[WRB]

The problem with FC line isn't the skill level of the knot, it's the fact that FC weakens under time under pressure of the knot creates. 

A very high percentage of anglers can and do tie successful knot using mono line, those same anglers using FC have knot problems using FC line. Proof is in the number of knots introduced since the introduction of FC line, more knots then anyone call recall.

I consider myself an expert at knot tieing fishing both salt water Marlin and tuna tournaments along with fresh water bass tournaments for decades and won several knot tieing contests. FC knots fail at random times. The biggest factors being line deformation from stretch and cold flow stress. I have used every premium FC line made over the past 25 years and speak from experience.

Monofilament is very forgiving when knot tying and rarely fails at the knot.

Tom

[Stephen B]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

The problem with FC line isn't the skill level of the knot, it's the fact that FC weakens under time under pressure of the knot creates. 

A very high percentage of anglers can and do tie successful knot using mono line, those same anglers using FC have knot problems using FC line. Proof is in the number of knots introduced since the introduction of FC line, more knots then anyone call recall.

I consider myself an expert at knot tieing fishing both salt water Marlin and tuna tournaments along with fresh water bass tournaments for decades and won several knot tieing contests. FC knots fail at random times. The biggest factors being line deformation from stretch and cold flow stress. I have used every premium FC line made over the past 25 years and speak from experience.

Monofilament is very forgiving when knot tying and rarely fails at the knot.

Tom

Originally, knot strength was an issue with all fluoro but manufacturers have addressed the issues. Most peoples knot failure occurs due to the individual not knowing how to tie the proper knot, not synching and wetting the knot properly causing it to lead to failure, or buying fluoro that is coming out of China as knock offs. My buddy works for a fishing line company and tells me how good the knock offs are in terms of resembling other manufacturers line.

 

Once I changed my knot to a Double Pitzen, never another problem. However, knot failures and other issues can still occur. But they do with every type of line. For example, braid isn't very abrasion resistant, but people buy it like crazy. Ultimately, we need to understand the limitations of each type of line. Overall, fluorocarbon provides many benefits to monofilament line such as it's virtually invizable, has a faster sink rate, has lower stretch than mono, and more sensitive. 

 

However, you are correct that mono does have cost advantage by a good bit over mono due to the cost to extrude, it is more versatile, less finicky regarding knots. Every product has advantages and disadvantages, you just have to weigh what characteristics you like and make an educated decision on which you prefer. I have used Tatsu, Invizx, Abrazx, Sniper, Shooter, Reaction FC, Gamma  Edge, Super FC, and Red Label and have never had issues with knots over the past 3-4 years.

[WRB]

39 minutes ago, Stephen B said:

Originally, knot strength was an issue with all fluoro but manufacturers have addressed the issues. Most peoples knot failure occurs do to the individual not knowing how to tie the proper knot or buying fluoro that is coming out of China as knock offs. My buddy works for a fishing line company and tells me how good the knock offs are in terms of resembling other manufacturers line.

 

Once I changed my knot to a Double Pitzen, never another problem. However, knot failures and other issues can still occur. But they do with every type of line. For example, braid isn't very abrasion resistant, but people buy it like crazy. Ultimately, we need to understand the limitations of each type of line. Overall, fluorocarbon provides many benefits to monofilament line such as it's virtually invizable, has a faster sink rate, has lower stretch than mono, and more sensitive. 

 

However, you are correct that mono does have cost advantage by a good bit over mono due to the cost to extrude, it is more versatile, less finicky regarding knots. Every product has advantages and disadvantages, you just have to weigh what characteristics you like and make an educated decision on which you prefer. I have used Tatsu, Invizx, Abrazx, Sniper, Shooter, Reaction FC, Gamma  Edge, Super FC, and Red Label and have never had issues with knots over the past 3-4 years.

Naive