The Road To The Super Bowl 2019

[Happybeerbuzz]

11 minutes ago, OCdockskipper said:

What I have an issue with is people who cherry pick one non call from the game, ignoring all of the other non calls.  

 

What I have an issue with is people who ignore the fact that the Saints lost the game on the field, due to their coach's poor decisions and their teams failure to either stop a field goal (twice) or score in overtime (like the Patriots did).

 

While I think it is natural to single out that really bad call, I agree with you that it is only one of the reasons that the Saints lost.  Colin Cowherd does a good job breaking it down. 

 

[A-Jay]

21 hours ago, FishTank said:

 

 

A-Jay

[jbsoonerfan]

This is how I look at this particular call. It was CLEAR pass interference, no question about it. It was CLEAR helmet to helmet, no question about it. I would argue as well that there were other missed calls, but NONE were as obvious as this one. I tried telling my buddy (who hates the Saints) and thinks it's funny that they lost that it would be like an NBA conf. final game 7 with the game tied with 4 seconds left and the team is waiting to shoot the last shot. Player pulls up and defensive guy shoves him in the chest into the first row and the ref doesn't call the foul. Which would be a CLEAR foul and a CLEAR intentional foul. Now, he may have missed all 3 free throws or he may not have. Fact is, in that situation, the call affected the outcome of the game. Not any of this "well they missed 3 free throws earlier" or "they had a chance in OT" that doesn't matter. The no call is what potentially cost that team the game. This is what happened here. The Saints may not have made the FG and ran out the clock, but the call assured them that there wasn't even that possibility.

[greentrout]

1 hour ago, jbsoonerfan said:

This is how I look at this particular call. It was CLEAR pass interference, no question about it. It was CLEAR helmet to helmet, no question about it. I would argue as well that there were other missed calls, but NONE were as obvious as this one. I tried telling my buddy (who hates the Saints) and thinks it's funny that they lost that it would be like an NBA conf. final game 7 with the game tied with 4 seconds left and the team is waiting to shoot the last shot. Player pulls up and defensive guy shoves him in the chest into the first row and the ref doesn't call the foul. Which would be a CLEAR foul and a CLEAR intentional foul. Now, he may have missed all 3 free throws or he may not have. Fact is, in that situation, the call affected the outcome of the game. Not any of this "well they missed 3 free throws earlier" or "they had a chance in OT" that doesn't matter. The no call is what potentially cost that team the game. This is what happened here. The Saints may not have made the FG and ran out the clock, but the call assured them that there wasn't even that possibility.

Well said....DITTO...

[FishTank]

37 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

 

 

A-Jay

I should introduce you to my neighbors........

 

 

[A-Jay]

1 minute ago, FishTank said:

I should introduce you to my neighbors........

 

 

Sweet ~Guessing that's probably not a Dolphin's Fan. 

But if it's a Jet's or Bill's fan, then the back drop view right there, may be most appropriate.

(Sorry @Darren.)

A-Jay

 

 

[Sam]

6 hours ago, deaknh03 said:

Didnt brees throw an interception after winning the coin toss in OT? Could that be why they lost? Is there a number to call and complain about that?

Not the issue. The issue is the no-call during regulation. Had the ref called the pass interference there would be no overtime or interception.  In all games, some plays work and others don't.

 

Yes, two trips into the red zone and only 6 points. Had the Saints scored TD's the game would have been a route.

 

But it boils down to the no-call. It really damaged the integrity of the NFL. It made for a dishonest game and outcome.

[gim]

To every Saints fan that is complaining that there should be a rematch for this non-call: these same Brees and Payton-led Saints had a bounty on hitting Brett Favre in the 2009 NFC Title game against the Vikings.  Maybe we should go back to that one and replay it huh?  That super bowl should be vacated if there needs to be a rematch against the Rams.

[Sam]

Too many no-calls which ruined the game.

 

If either team is guilty of a penalty then the penalties need to be called.

 

Too many helmet to helmet hits and targeting in the game. The refs closed their eyes to these infractions.

[Gundog]

53 minutes ago, FishTank said:

I should introduce you to my neighbors........

 

 

I gotta say that is funny and has a great amount of creativity. 

[Darren.]

1 hour ago, A-Jay said:

Sweet ~Guessing that's probably not a Dolphin's Fan. 

But if it's a Jet's or Bill's fan, then the back drop view right there, may be most appropriate.

(Sorry @Darren.)

A-Jay

 

 

Hey now....

 

Yeah... I guess that could be me. But I sure RESPECT what they've 

done this year, as I noted in an earlier post. As hard as that was for

me to do, mind you.

 

[deaknh03]

1 hour ago, jbsoonerfan said:

This is how I look at this particular call. It was CLEAR pass interference, no question about it. It was CLEAR helmet to helmet, no question about it. I would argue as well that there were other missed calls, but NONE were as obvious as this one. I tried telling my buddy (who hates the Saints) and thinks it's funny that they lost that it would be like an NBA conf. final game 7 with the game tied with 1:48 seconds left and the team is waiting to shoot the last shot. Player pulls up and defensive guy shoves him in the chest into the first row and the ref doesn't call the foul. Which would be a CLEAR foul and a CLEAR intentional foul. Now, he may have missed all 3 free throws or he may not have. Fact is, in that situation, the call affected the outcome of the game. Not any of this "well they missed 3 free throws earlier" or "they had a chance in OT" that doesn't matter. The no call is what potentially cost that team the game. This is what happened here. The Saints may not have made the FG and ran out the clock, but the call assured them that there wasn't even that possibility.

Fixed that little part

[jbsoonerfan]

2 minutes ago, deaknh03 said:

Fixed that little part

Actually, you didn't. The 1:48 could have been run off easily. Leaving no time on the clock. The only thing in question would have been if he missed the FG. 

[OCdockskipper]

1 hour ago, jbsoonerfan said:

... Player pulls up and defensive guy shoves him in the chest into the first row and the ref doesn't call the foul. .

That was known as Lakers/Celtics in the 80's.  Heck, they were clothes-lining each other (McHale to Rambis) and shoving guys 3 rows deep (Worthy to Maxwell) without a technical to be called. 

 

The Celtics won that series in 1984 because they didn't worry about what fouls should have been called and the Lakers came back to win in 1985 because they realized whining about it (like they & I did in 1984) doesn't win titles.  They toughened up, played hard and won on the court without looking for help from the refs.

[jbsoonerfan]

We are talking one call, where in today's NFL the helmet to helmet is called EVERYTIME and reviewed just to make certain the call was correct.

 

Generalizations don't work in this case. You used an entire decade (the 80's) to argue one call.

[OCdockskipper]

2 hours ago, A-Jay said:

 

 

A-Jay

There is an attorney in New Orleans who is is trying to sue the NFL to have the commissioner declare the Saints winner of the NFC title game https://herosports.com/nfl/new-orleans-attorney-nfl-goodell-saints-rams-ahah 

 

If he pulls this off, I guarantee that 95% of the fans rooting against the Patriots in 2 weeks will switch their allegiance (at least for one game).  Even though I am a Ram fan, part of me wants something like this to happen just to watch the public's reaction.  The Saints, who have been a pretty loved franchise despite bountygate, would end up being the most despised team since, well since the Patriots ?.

9 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said:

We are talking one call, where in today's NFL the helmet to helmet is called EVERYTIME and reviewed just to make certain the call was correct.

 

Generalizations don't work in this case. You used an entire decade (the 80's) to argue one call.

I didn't write that properly, I wasn't trying to argue or make a point different than yours (sorry about that).  Your sentence about pushing someone into the stands just gave me flashbacks to how rough those finals used to be.  A poor attempt at humor...

[Happybeerbuzz]

18 minutes ago, OCdockskipper said:

There is an attorney in New Orleans who is is trying to sue the NFL to have the commissioner declare the Saints winner of the NFC title game ...

 

Of course there is.  I bet he has a GoFundMe set up to capitalize on all the triggered Saints supporters.  

[OCdockskipper]

Saints owner Gayle Benson sent out a press release where she pledges to "aggressively pursue changes in NFL policies" that will promote more "fairness & integrity".  Oh really?  How much fairness is there when one teams offense has to try to communicate with crowd noise over 100db while the other teams offense gets to communicate in a church type quiet?  That home field advantage is akin to moving the fences in when the home team is up in baseball and then back when the visitors bat.  If she is interested in "fairness & integrity", then is she going to address this situation that occurs in most domed stadiums in the NFL?  No, she won't, because she isn't interested in fairness, she is interested in going shopping in Atlanta.

 

Tom Benson was a great owner, he loved his team, loved his city and put the money that he earned into his franchise.  Unfortunately his wife is nothing more than a gold digger.  She is 20 years his junior, burned through 2 other husbands before getting her claws into him and inherited the team & Benson's billions after some odd changes to Benson's wills late in his life (the team was originally willed to his kids).  This woman knows nothing about what it takes to make a billion dollars, nothing about what it means to be an owner, yet claims she is for "fairness & integrity" after snaking her way into an old rich mans life.  What a hypocrite!

 

Rams fans had to put up with a gold digger wife who took possession of the team in 1979 and held them in her clutches until her death in 2008, Georgia Frontiere.  When she got control, she nearly instantly fired her step son Steve Rosenbloom, who was expected to run the organization (& who ironically went to the Saints for a year) and then proceeded to drive the franchise into the ground in the 90's.  She used that as an excuse to move them to St. Louis, where she caught lightning in a bottle for a few years with Dick Vermeil & Mike Martz, but that was short lived.  Under Georgia, the Rams were a dumpster fire.  Thankfully, the team was purchased by Stan Kroenke in 2010, who moved them back to LA.

 

Saints fans, I have seen this movie before, this woman will wreck your franchise.  Do what you can to get her to sell the team.

[Catt]

6 hours ago, OCdockskipper said:

There were numerous plays that violated the rules that went uncalled.  Both teams had to play within that structure.

 

What I have an issue with is people who cherry pick one non call from the game, ignoring all of the other non calls.  

 

Again I did not see any other blatant targeting with helmet to helmet contact go uncalled!

 

Because there was none!

 

I don't care if it was preseason, midseason, postseason, or the Super Bowl that has to be called & reviewed.

 

Either that or quit whining about concussions!

 

Y'all act like that hit was simply pushing & shoving down field, the DB admitted he wasn't looking for the ball but was looking to deliver a hit as hard as possible.

 

That's blatant targeting ?

[Sam]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry to say, but this Super Bowl will have a black cloud hanging over it.

 

The two best teams will not play by earning the privilege on the field.

 

It is how us SEC fans feel like after a Bamasux game. The refs will give Bamasux the calls as approved by the SEC office in Birmingham. Let that sink in.  The SEC office in Birmingham.

 

I would hope everyone out there, other than for those in California, will cheer for the Pats. I know I will and I hope the hitting is very hard with a lot of helmet-to-helmet hits not being called.

 

But we know this will not be the case as the refs will probably be calling everything they perceive to be a foul knowing they will be under the microscope.

 

I wonder if the refs calling the Saints-Rams game will be rehired or demoted next season? After all, we were supposed to get the best refs rated the highest in the NFL for the playoff games. If those refs were the cream of the crop, then it is open season in the NFL games and a sad state of affairs for future games.

 

"Let all the poisons from within the earth come forth." I Claudius. Geaux Pats. Put the Rams out of the game. The refs will probably not make the calls.

[TnRiver46]

I wonder if they would have called pass interference if that was Tom Brady coming out of the backfield to catch that pass?

[OCdockskipper]

5 hours ago, Sam said:

 

Sorry to say, but this Super Bowl will have a black cloud hanging over it.

 

The two best teams will not play by earning the privilege on the field.

 

I would hope everyone out there, other than for those in California, will cheer for the Pats...

Sam, the whining is getting annoying.  If your wife ran off with a married man, would you blame the other spouse?  Of course not, but that is exactly what you are doing.

 

If you want to be mad at the refs, fine, go for it.  They missed a ton of calls, including the one that you are obsessed with.  If you want to be mad at the Saints, do it.  They had chances to win the game and failed and their coach made some bad decisions late that hurt them.

 

But blaming the Rams?  C'mon man!!  All they did was win the game on the field.  You don't seem like the kind of guy who kicks the dog after a bad day at work, so give it a rest.

[NYWayfarer]

17 hours ago, A-Jay said:

Sweet ~Guessing that's probably not a Dolphin's Fan. 

But if it's a Jet's or Bill's fan, then the back drop view right there, may be most appropriate.

(Sorry @Darren.)

A-Jay

 

 

Pat's fans should always be grateful to the Jets. If NY Jet linebacker, Mo Lewis didn't level Drew Bledsoe, Brady would have never come off the bench and start your dynasty.

 

And yes that's my graveyard of hopes and dreams that the Jets will win another Superbowl in my lifetime.

 

 

[roadwarrior]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but here is my prediction:

 

Patriots 45

   Rams 31

 

[J._Bricker]

Go Patriots, Beat LA! ?