The Road To The Super Bowl 2019

[Reel Assassin]

I now live North of L.A. so I am cheering for the Rams. I am not a fan of the "Patriots" for many reasons which I will not get into. They got to the super bowl so I will let it go at that. It is after all a game and some people get way to emotionally invested. Do I hope my team wins? Yes. Will I be emotionally devastated if they lose? No. I have way too many other things in life more important than who wins the super bowl. Enjoy the show! ?  

[OCdockskipper]

It is a fallacy to group the early 2000 Patriots with the late 2010's Patriots and call them a dynasty.  A dynasty doesn't take a decade off between titles.

 

Just because those two teams had the same coach & QB doesn't make them the same team.  They had entirely different core of players and Brady's role with the 2 eras was different.  No one calls the 2000 - 2010 Lakers a dynasty even though the had the same coach & star player and won 5 titles.  Those Lakers were two different teams, the group that went to 4 finals and won 3 titles in 5 years and the second that went to 3 straight finals winning the last 2.

 

There have very few Dynasty's in sports, maybe less than a half dozen.  While the current rendition of the Patriots could become a dynasty, they aren't there yet.  It would take 5 or six more titles before 2025.

20 minutes ago, deaknh03 said:

Oh boy. Let's hear the top 9. When listing them, be sure it's the same coach and same best player, ie jackson/jordan. 

Brady wasn't the Patriots best player or focal point early in their success.

[deaknh03]

6 minutes ago, OCdockskipper said:

It is a fallacy to group the early 2000 Patriots with the late 2010's Patriots and call them a dynasty.  A dynasty doesn't take a decade off between titles.

 

Just because those two teams had the same coach & QB doesn't make them the same team.  They had entirely different core of players and Brady's role with the 2 eras was different.  No one calls the 2000 - 2010 Lakers a dynasty even though the had the same coach & star player and won 5 titles.  Those Lakers were two different teams, the group that went to 4 finals and won 3 titles in 5 years and the second that went to 3 straight finals winning the last 2.

 

There have very few Dynasty's in sports, maybe less than a half dozen.  While the current rendition of the Patriots could become a dynasty, they aren't there yet.  It would take 5 or six more titles before 2025.

Brady wasn't the Patriots best player or focal point early in their success.

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[Sam]

Not that it makes any difference, but you can call and make a formal complaint against refs by calling 212-450-2000. It’s the NFL complaint line and flood them with complaints on the game.

The integrity of NFL football has just been flushed down the toilet.

I don't care for the Pats but I will be cheering them on to clobber the Rams.

[OCdockskipper]

1 hour ago, Sam said:

...I don't care for the Pats but I will be cheering them on to clobber the Rams.

Sam, if your irritation with the non call is going to make you dislike someone, I believe that Sean Payton should be your target rather than the Rams.

 

Following the pass play to Ginn at the 2 minute warning, the Saints had a 1st down inside the 20 and the Rams had only 2 timeouts.  Payton calls a pass play that goes incomplete on first down, which guaranteed the Rams getting the ball back with 90 seconds or more with a stop.  He then double downed on that bad decision by throwing the ball on 3rd down, the non call allowing the Rams to keep their last timeout.

 

Had Payton run the ball on all 3 downs, they might have picked up a first down to run down the clock before the field goal try.  Even if they didn't, they would have gotten the clock under 60 seconds and used up the Rams timeouts.  Instead, Payton put himself in a position where he needed a call in order to put his team in a position to salt away the game.

 

Payton is complaining about the non call to take the focus off his errors.  For Payton to say the non call cost his team the game shows a complete lack of confidence that his team could have done what the Patriots did in overtime.  In essence, Payton is claiming the only way his team could have won is with a call.  Horrible leadership.

[greentrout]

 

 

 

WHO DAT NATION WAS ROBBED....PUT AN ASTERISK BY THE RAMS' WIN...

[J Francho]

There were two face masks and a delay of game not called either. 

[Catt]

First no call was pass interfere

 

Second no call was targeting 

 

Third no call was helmet to helmet 

 

All on one play!

 

One could easily make a case for someone being paid off!

 

What better cover than non reviewability ?

[Sam]

2 hours ago, OCdockskipper said:

Sam, if your irritation with the non call is going to make you dislike someone, I believe that Sean Payton should be your target rather than the Rams.

 

Following the pass play to Ginn at the 2 minute warning, the Saints had a 1st down inside the 20 and the Rams had only 2 timeouts.  Payton calls a pass play that goes incomplete on first down, which guaranteed the Rams getting the ball back with 90 seconds or more with a stop.  He then double downed on that bad decision by throwing the ball on 3rd down, the non call allowing the Rams to keep their last timeout.

 

Had Payton run the ball on all 3 downs, they might have picked up a first down to run down the clock before the field goal try.  Even if they didn't, they would have gotten the clock under 60 seconds and used up the Rams timeouts.  Instead, Payton put himself in a position where he needed a call in order to put his team in a position to salt away the game.

 

Payton is complaining about the non call to take the focus off his errors.  For Payton to say the non call cost his team the game shows a complete lack of confidence that his team could have done what the Patriots did in overtime.  In essence, Payton is claiming the only way his team could have won is with a call.  Horrible leadership.

The non-call was the game changer.  No ifs, ands or buts. The officiating was an embarrassment to the NFL.

13 minutes ago, Catt said:

First no call was pass interfere

 

Second no call was targeting 

 

Third no call was helmet to helmet 

 

All on one play!

 

One could easily make a case for someone being paid off!

 

What better cover than non reviewability ?

Catt, the refs are like the politicians in DC. They kiss each other's behinds and do things together to the detriment of their constituents.

 

The replay officials are in the same boat as the on-field refs. A good ole boys network. Don't overturn any calls to embarrass your friends. You can see it in the college and NFL games.

[Mobasser]

22 hours ago, Darren. said:

Wow. Gotta hand it to Brady. Play calling at line of scrimmage,

sure-handed receivers, another trip to SB.

 

Hate 'em as much as I do, Brady is amazing.

I'm not a fan either

I was pulling for the Chiefs. I thought Mahomes showed great leadership for a young quarterback. And, even though they lost, they made the Pats earn the win. It wasn't easy for them. I also feel the Saints got a raw deal on the calls. Ridiculous! Makes me not give a d**n who wins the Super Bowl. I'm hoping it warms up a little, and I can go fishing. Sounds like way more fun to me, than watching some biased refs ruin it for the team's and the fans. 

[Darren.]

29 minutes ago, Mobasser said:

I'm not a fan either

I was pulling for the Chiefs. I thought Mahomes showed great leadership for a young quarterback. And, even though they lost, they made the Pats earn the win. It wasn't easy for them. I also feel the Saints got a raw deal on the calls. Ridiculous! Makes me not give a d**n who wins the Super Bowl. I'm hoping it warms up a little, and I can go fishing. Sounds like way more fun to me, than watching some biased refs ruin it for the team's and the fans. 

I kinda have the feeling the NFL will put some tight reigns on the

ref squad for the SB in the light of the public relations nightmare.

 

Those things aside, I think the SB should be a great game with

two genius coaches going head to head. I feel the Pats have the

real momentum here. But the Rams will hopefully come to play

hard and make it a tight game down to the wire. While I will pull

for the Rams, I'm rooting for a great game overall, and will give

Brady his due applause if he wins yet another... 

 

I'll be watching, as we have a family SB party at my house every 

year.  

[Mobasser]

1 minute ago, Darren. said:

I kinda have the feeling the NFL will put some tight reigns on the

ref squad for the SB in the light of the public relations nightmare.

 

Those things aside, I think the SB should be a great game with

two genius coaches going head to head. I feel the Pats have the

real momentum here. But the Rams will hopefully come to play

hard and make it a tight game down to the wire. While I will pull

for the Rams, I'm rooting for a great game overall, and will give

Brady his due applause if he wins yet another... 

 

I'll be watching, as we have a family SB party at my house every 

year.  

Hope you enjoy it. This year I really wanted to see the Saints and Chiefs in the SB. But that's how it goes. 

[Glenn]

Whelp, the officiating was, unfortunately, par for the course this year.  Just way too many games were decided this year by bad ref calls.  The games this week were no different. 

 

This year we saw many "roughing", PI, unsportsman like, and holding calls applied without consistency.  Hopefully they make some sweeping changes during the off-season to course correct.

 

On a plus side, the Seahawks performed way better than anyone expected, and seem to be on the path towards another Superbowl appearance soon.  Of course, anything can happen, so we shall see....

[Gundog]

[Darren.]

Just now, Mobasser said:

Hope you enjoy it. This year I really wanted to see the Saints and Chiefs in the SB. But that's how it goes. 

Likewise. They were my 1 and 2, respectively.

[FishTank]

[OCdockskipper]

2 hours ago, Sam said:

The non-call was the game changer...

Every call or non-call is a game changer.  Look at the Chiefs/Patriots, the call on the defense being in the neutral zone prior to the hike negated a game ending interception.  That was a call made on an infraction that had nothing to do with the outcome of the play.  Did it cost the Chiefs the game?  No, the two touchdowns they gave up after that did.  It would have helped the Chiefs if the call hadn't been made, but it didn't cost them the game.

 

Too many things happen in a close game to point out a single instance and claim "we was robbed".  What about the other half dozen no calls on what is normally pass interference (on both the Rams & the Saints) throughout the game?  Each one of those changed the course of the game.  At least the non call at the end was consistent with the way the entire game was called, there is nothing worse than officiating that changes towards the end of a contest.

 

The non call was a bad break for the Saints because of the timing of it.  They lost however because their defense had 2 opportunities to stop the Rams from making a field goal and their offense had an opportunity to score to end the game, and they came up short on all three.

 

That said, I understand Saints fans reaction to the non call.  I would be ticked off (and have been) if similar things happen to a team I am rooting for or have money on.  The reaction that I think that is out of line is Sean Payton's.  As a head coach, the last thing you want to model for your players is complaining about the officiating.  I think the better reaction would have been to say he wished the call would have been made, but even without it, his team still had an opportunity to win the game but came up short.  Taking responsibility for the things you can control makes for a better team in the long run.

[Catt]

5 hours ago, OCdockskipper said:

Too many things happen in a close game to point out a single instance and claim "we was robbed".  What about the other half dozen no calls on what is normally pass interference (on both the Rams & the Saints) throughout the game?  Each one of those changed the course of the game.  At least the non call at the end was consistent with the way the entire game was called, there is nothing worse than officiating that changes towards the end of a contest.

 

So during the entire game the officials let both sides get away with targeting & helmet to helmet contact?

 

Pass interference on that play was not simply the DB grabbing the receivers hands or shoving off. It was a blatant targeting hit well before the ball arrived & involved helmet to helmet contact.

 

To believe that non call was a simple pass interference is beyond stupid!

[Sam]

1 hour ago, Catt said:

 

So during the entire game the officials let both sides get away with targeting & helmet to helmet contact?

 

Pass interference on that play was not simply the DB grabbing the receivers hands or shoving off. It was a blatant targeting hit well before the ball arrived & involved helmet to helmet contact.

 

To believe that non call was a simple pass interference is beyond stupid!

X2

 

And it robbed everyone of having the two best teams in the Super Bowl of which tickets and travel/lodging/food will cost those attending many hundreds of dollars.

 

Now the NFL is going to make a "non-call" reviewable. A little too late.

[deaknh03]

9 hours ago, OCdockskipper said:

Every call or non-call is a game changer.  Look at the Chiefs/Patriots, the call on the defense being in the neutral zone prior to the hike negated a game ending interception.  That was a call made on an infraction that had nothing to do with the outcome of the play.  Did it cost the Chiefs the game?  No, the two touchdowns they gave up after that did.  It would have helped the Chiefs if the call hadn't been made, but it didn't cost them the game.

 

Too many things happen in a close game to point out a single instance and claim "we was robbed".  What about the other half dozen no calls on what is normally pass interference (on both the Rams & the Saints) throughout the game?  Each one of those changed the course of the game.  At least the non call at the end was consistent with the way the entire game was called, there is nothing worse than officiating that changes towards the end of a contest.

 

The non call was a bad break for the Saints because of the timing of it.  They lost however because their defense had 2 opportunities to stop the Rams from making a field goal and their offense had an opportunity to score to end the game, and they came up short on all three.

 

That said, I understand Saints fans reaction to the non call.  I would be ticked off (and have been) if similar things happen to a team I am rooting for or have money on.  The reaction that I think that is out of line is Sean Payton's.  As a head coach, the last thing you want to model for your players is complaining about the officiating.  I think the better reaction would have been to say he wished the call would have been made, but even without it, his team still had an opportunity to win the game but came up short.  Taking responsibility for the things you can control makes for a better team in the long run.

Exactly. Both teams understand there will be bad calls and are coached to overcome them. That's the true test of a teams character. Chiefs scored a touchdown at the end of the 4th to take the lead on an obvious pick, a call that went against the patriots earlier in the game. The patriots instead of folding up camp, went and scored to take the lead back. I've seen them do it consistently over the years,  whereas I've watched other teams collapse after a bad call or noncall. I like drew brees,a lot, but I think payton, while a good coach, let's emotions steer him far too often. 

[greentrout]

 

[deaknh03]

7 hours ago, Sam said:

X2

 

And it robbed everyone of having the two best teams in the Super Bowl of which tickets and travel/lodging/food will cost those attending many hundreds of dollars.

 

Now the NFL is going to make a "non-call" reviewable. A little too late.

Didnt brees throw an interception after winning the coin toss in OT? Could that be why they lost? Is there a number to call and complain about that?

[OCdockskipper]

10 hours ago, Sam said:

And it robbed everyone of having the two best teams in the Super Bowl...

That is so full of hysteria, it could have been written by Sean Payton.

 

If the Saints were the best team, why couldn't they win the game on the field?Why did they need a call to win the game?  They had plenty of opportunities to win after the non call, but came up short every time.  Or did they need a call then too?

[Catt]

@OCdockskipper So you have no issues with blatant targeting & helmet to helmet contact?

 

The referees are on the field to enforce the rules are they not?

 

It's this type of thinking that allows the NFL referees to go unchecked!

[OCdockskipper]

Of course not Catt, I want every game to be officiated perfectly per the rules.  This game was not, from the 1st quarter on.  There were numerous plays that violated the rules that went uncalled.  Both teams had to play within that structure.

 

What I have an issue with is people who cherry pick one non call from the game, ignoring all of the other non calls.  

 

What I have an issue with is people who ignore the fact that the Saints lost the game on the field, due to their coach's poor decisions and their teams failure to either stop a field goal (twice) or score in overtime (like the Patriots did).

 

Sean Payton should have come out and said "I really wish the refs hadn't missed that call, I would have loved to have had first & goal in that situation.  However, they did miss it and consequently, we did not do what was needed to win the game.  Congratulations to the Rams, we will see you all next year".  He could have even thrown in a "Who Dat" for good measure.