Braid

[Jonny15678]

I’m going to start using braid for bass. I will be fishing in pretty mild cover water, logs and tree branches. Will 10lb be enough? 

[Angry John]

Are you using a spinning rod and want the braid to cut threw the veggies.  If so it may work.  If using a heavier setup with larger hooks 3/0 I would say no as you can easily pop 10 lb on a hookset.  

[Jonny15678]

1 minute ago, Angry John said:

Are you using a spinning rod and want the braid to cut threw the veggies.  If so it may work.  If using a heavier setup with larger hooks 3/0 I would say no as you can easily pop 10 lb on a hookset.  

Yes a spinning rod I want to use it with a spinner bait. Not much vegetation maybe a bit. Would 20lb be a better option?

[Angry John]

Love me some 20 on a spinning rod for everything but dropshot.  Very versatile imo.

Edited July 25, 2018 by Angry John

[CroakHunter]

What length and power rod and what size spinning reel do you plan to use. Also what weight spinnerbait? But as mentioned 10lb is too light for any type of cover. 

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

Id go as high as 10# but prefer 8#. Casting is way better 10# and under. Ive not found 10 pound braid to pop very easily and Ive frog fished heavy slop with 10# powerpro on a baitcaster. Also have pulled in some huge weed clumps with 10# braid. I suggest start at ten then work up to 15 then 20 if needed but doubt it.

[Jonny15678]

1 minute ago, CroakHunter said:

What length and power rod and what size spinning reel do you plan to use. Also what weight spinnerbait? But as mentioned 10lb is too light for any type of cover. 

6ft9 medium rod 

30 size reel

3/8oz spinnerbait 

[J.Vincent]

Why would you want braid for a Spinnerbait in mild cover ? Have you explored any high quality durable monofilaments or copolymers ?

[Jonny15678]

8 minutes ago, J.Vincent said:

Why would you want braid for a Spinnerbait in mild cover ? Have you explored any high quality durable monofilaments or copolymers ?

I’m getting very bad line twist 

[CroakHunter]

30 minutes ago, Jonny15678 said:

6ft9 medium rod 

30 size reel

3/8oz spinnerbait 

I would suggest 30lb braid. A 30 or 3000 size reel is fairly large and will hold a lot of line. I would even add a little backing And then put about 75 yards of braid on. That way you could fill 2 reels with one spool of braid. 

[govallis]

2 hours ago, Jonny15678 said:

I’m getting very bad line twist 

Then use a tiny rolling swivel, I always do and never line twist regardless what bait. You'll hate wind knot with braid, I don't want to use braid again.

 

I always tie the swivel 18" above the bait, to eliminate potential side effect. Make sure to use the right knots, so the tags are all faced down and won't grab weeds.

[J.Vincent]

The qualities found in braid are not beneficial when fishing Spinnerbaits; but some anglers may disagree. I suppose if it solves your line twist issue or allows you to spool Heavy pound test on a small capacity Spinning Reel , then go with it.  But I'm willing to bet you aren't manually closing the bail of the Spinning Reel after each cast and this is creating line problems. Or maybe your spinnerbait blades consistently get tangled in vegetation and during the retrieve the lure is  rolling over. Or you are casting to hard and the Spinnerbait is helicoptering in the air before reaching the water. If any of these are the case, using braid with Spinnerbaits will usually only make matters worse. Also I recommend monofilament on a baitcaster, for Spinnerbaits and Chatterbaits; it's more efficient . 

[govallis]

I don't know why people so against swivel. I use Pline size 10 rolling swivel only, never a problem. As I said above, use the 100% strength knots only and all tags face down. Each knot must be tied properly to ensure 100% strength. I never moisturize when tie a knot; if a knot needs moisturizing, then it is not going to be a good one. Finding out the special trick for each good knot to ensure 100% strength is the key.

 

I tried not to use a swivel, got line twist quite soon. Ever since I used a swivel, line twist and bird nest have been a thing of past.

[Brad in Texas]

3 hours ago, govallis said:

I don't know why people so against swivel. I use Pline size 10 rolling swivel only, never a problem. As I said above, use the 100% strength knots only and all tags face down. Each knot must be tied properly to ensure 100% strength. I never moisturize when tie a knot; if a knot needs moisturizing, then it is not going to be a good one. Finding out the special trick for each good knot to ensure 100% strength is the key.

 

I tried not to use a swivel, got line twist quite soon. Ever since I used a swivel, line twist and bird nest have been a thing of past.

Since swivels "swivel," I am uncertain what you mean by "all tags face down." Help me here. Are you referring to your knot at the terminal tackle, to a lure, or the multiple knots needed on a swivel?

 

There is actually no such thing as a 100% knot. If a line breaks somewhere other than the knot, it has some sort of imperfection in it, else, the knot gives away first. If you take a length of line or rope, just tie a simple overhand knot along its length, it creates the weakest point.

 

But, I get your point about tying good ones. It does make a big difference!

 

Brad

[govallis]

Every knot has a little tag, this tag will grab weeds if facing up. For example, Orvis knot has a facing down tag, but Palomar facing up. So if you tie an Orvis knot above the swivel and tie a Palomar on the other end, you have both tags facing down.

 

The bassresource youtube video about liplesss bait says don't use a swivel because it does nothing good but grabbing weeds. That's wrong, because he never get into above details.

 

I agree that a knot always creates the weakest point. Let's say a knot can stand with 20lb; then for a 12lb line it has 100% strength but for a 25lb line it is not 100%. Some knots slipps out before breaks, the Homer Rhode loop knot is one of them. For the Non Slip loop knot, never pull the tag too hard, or the knot will break far more easily! For the Orvis knot, if the tag faces up, then you didn't do it right and it'll break easily.

 

When I need the tag of the non slip loop knot to face up instead of down, I tie the tag an extra overhand knot. This is the case when I use this great knot at the bottom of a swivel, so the tag faces down. This is confusing, I know, the same knot is facing down when tied to a hook or the top side of a swivel, but becomes facing up when tied to the bottom of a swivel.

 

Being at the hook, the top or bottom side of a swivel, all the tags of the knots must face down. Much less chance to grab weeds. Once a tag facing up, it's like a little plastic hook to weeds. You should not tie the same knot on a swivel, because one of them will face up.

[fishnkamp]

My wife and I both use the same setup for all of our spinning gear. First I load 1/2 spool of Stren Original Clear Blue mono in 14 pound. Next I fill it the rest of the way with Berkley Original Fireline in 14 pound test. That stuff handles beautifully on a spinning reel and it is the same diameter as 6 pound test mono.

If I am fishing really clear waters I add a 5 foot long leader made of either Fluorocarbon line or more often i will add a leader made of PLIne CXX in their green color and I will choose 8 pound test. That stuff breaks around 16 pounds.  

[Jonny15678]

17 hours ago, J.Vincent said:

The qualities found in braid are not beneficial when fishing Spinnerbaits; but some anglers may disagree. I suppose if it solves your line twist issue or allows you to spool Heavy pound test on a small capacity Spinning Reel , then go with it.  But I'm willing to bet you aren't manually closing the bail of the Spinning Reel after each cast and this is creating line problems. Or maybe your spinnerbait blades consistently get tangled in vegetation and during the retrieve the lure is  rolling over. Or you are casting to hard and the Spinnerbait is helicoptering in the air before reaching the water. If any of these are the case, using braid with Spinnerbaits will usually only make matters worse. Also I recommend monofilament on a baitcaster, for Spinnerbaits and Chatterbaits; it's more efficient . 

I always close my bail manually and I don't cast that hard, but thanks for the info.

[DINK WHISPERER]

I never go below 30lb braid