Daiwa and shimano reels

[OkieBoy17]

Okay I just purchased 2 new rods one for moving baits and the other for pitching/light flipping duties 1/4-3/8 oz now I need 2 new reels. I've been reading and seen that the tatula sv tw is great pitching/skipping reel for light to heavy size baits due to its significant control system, and seen the new shimano curado dc lob baits out there with perfect Control and a local tackle shop by me has a extra curado dc on him early which I have option to buy. Please let me know if I'm on the right track of if there's any other recommendations

[TylerT123]

Curado 70 was designed to pitch, flip and finesse lighter lures. I’ve heard that the SV TWS is overbraked for regular use, so I’d take that into consideration if you are going to be casting with it.

[OnthePotomac]

I have only read comments from users that the Curado DC is a spectacular reel and set up properly is a no back lash reel.  Controls it self.

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14 hours ago, OnthePotomac said:

I have only read comments from users that the Curado DC is a spectacular reel and set up properly is a no back lash reel.  Controls it self.

I wonder how long it will be till all reels go digital?

[Stephen B]

1 minute ago, Burros said:

I wonder how long it will be till all reels go digital?

Shimano has the DC technology patented so others couldn't produce a competing product unless they can bypass the patent. However, I do think Shimano will definitely continue to produce DC reels as long as they continue to sell. Eventually, I could definitely see the majority of there high end reels being DC.

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2 minutes ago, Stephen B said:

Shimano has the DC technology patented so others couldn't produce a competing product unless they can bypass the patent. However, I do think Shimano will definitely continue to produce DC reels as long as they continue to sell. Eventually, I could definitely see the majority of there high end reels being DC.

It won’t be long before diawa figures out a way to make their own patented technology they probably already have. 

[Stephen B]

1 minute ago, Burros said:

It won’t be long before diawa figures out a way to make their own patented technology they probably already have. 

Haha probably. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they release a competing product in the coming years.

[Beetlebz]

Imho Daiwa has licked the problem without any electronics at all. The magforce Z brakes are about as simple as it gets! Remember hearing about all the time and money the US spent to develop the space pen, and the Russians just used a pencil? Same principle ?

 

To answer the original question, I would avoid the tatula SV variant for moving baits. The extra braking isnt necessary. The regular tatula gets this honor in my lineup. For flipping and pitching the SV would genuinely shine though. It can still cast well, but the SV braking is dreamy flipping a bank. 

 

I have no doubt that the curado DC is a great reel, but I dont know how well the DC would do flipping. That's where a lot of braking systems fall on their faces. For moving baits it should shine, but it still feels like a $25 solution to a $5 problem. Just my $0.02. 

[OnthePotomac]

DC is not really a braking system, but rather a controlled spool spin system, but then I may be splitting hairs.

[FrankN209]

My Daiwa' braking is better than the DC that I owned...

[OkieBoy17]

7 hours ago, Beetlebz said:

Imho Daiwa has licked the problem without any electronics at all. The magforce Z brakes are about as simple as it gets! Remember hearing about all the time and money the US spent to develop the space pen, and the Russians just used a pencil? Same principle ?

 

To answer the original question, I would avoid the tatula SV variant for moving baits. The extra braking isnt necessary. The regular tatula gets this honor in my lineup. For flipping and pitching the SV would genuinely shine though. It can still cast well, but the SV braking is dreamy flipping a bank. 

 

I have no doubt that the curado DC is a great reel, but I dont know how well the DC would do flipping. That's where a lot of braking systems fall on their faces. For moving baits it should shine, but it still feels like a $25 solution to a $5 problem. Just my $0.02. 

You have it flipped that was my intentions the sv for flipping and pitching and sometimes skipping and the dc for moving baits 

[Beetlebz]

53 minutes ago, OkieBoy17 said:

You have it flipped that was my intentions the sv for flipping and pitching and sometimes skipping and the dc for moving baits 

Nah just reinforcing your decision, with the exception that I would personally go regular tatula gor moving baits for 1/3 the price of the DC. 

[Matt_3479]

I don’t have any real experience or hands on with the DC, but the tatula sv is a great reel! So simple to use, casts excellent, great when switching between baits. That being said I also have the curado K and 2 chronarch mgl’s ans I much prefer them over the tatula, nothing against the tatula’s but those shimano to me out cast, smoother reeling, feel a bit more refined. But I don’t know if you’d go wrong either way

[TBAG]

I'd buy that DC if you have the opportunity, especially if most won't be getting them in stock until late October.

 

If you don't like it you could easily unload it on the secondary market.

[TylerT123]

2 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said:

The tat SV has really impressed me with it's casting distance.  I can cast a Terminator Walking Frog to the point where there is little to no #50 braid left on the spool with the brake set to 6 and the spool tension set for a little side to side play.  You don't even have to thumb the spool on splash down onto a mat.  The thing cast insane when set up right.  I think too many guys run too much spool tension on the reel.

 

Hmm, noted. Nice setup too, I don’t know about you but those last few strands of braid on that reel would drive me crazy. I would how it would compare to a Curado K.

[NHBull]

Not to muddy the water, but I would look at the Bantam for that application 

[Pat33]

I own Curado 70's, Chronarch MGL's and Tatula SV's.  I believe the Tatula SV handles small and medium baits for me.

[PAbasser927]

On 7/22/2018 at 1:13 PM, BaitFinesse said:

Both reels would work well for your application.  Both can be set up to cast thumb free.  With the heavier more aerodynamic baits the line capacity of the Tatula SV may be a concern.  I was out using mine for the 1st time and was spooling it on nearly every cast of #40 braid casting an 11/16 oz Terminator frog.

42 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said:

The tat SV has really impressed me with it's casting distance.  I can cast a Terminator Walking Frog to the point where there is little to no #50 braid left on the spool with the brake set to 6 and the spool tension set for a little side to side play.  You don't even have to thumb the spool on splash down onto a mat.  The thing cast insane when set up right.  I think too many guys run too much spool tension on the reel.

 

 

I have a few Tatula SVs as well and I am just wondering if you guys are filling your spools all the way?  The SV spool should hold roughly 85/95 yards of 50lb/40lb braid - respectively.  At the risk of exposing myself as a novice caster, I don’t get close to that on my distance.  Just wondering if you guys have your spools filled or if I need to re-learn how to cast lol

[TylerT123]

1 hour ago, BaitFinesse said:

The Curado K would be better for heavier baits in the 3/4+ oz range and the tat SV is better for lighter baits, casting into strong wind, night fishing, skipping ect.  I value the opinion of the Tackle Advisors guy and he says the Curado K is impressive with heavier baits but not so much the lighter baits.  If it wasn't for the funky green bits I'd already own a Curado K.  

I will admit it’s not too great with 1/2 oz or 5/8ish cranks but I could cast a 3/4 oz lipless crank far. 

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1 hour ago, BaitFinesse said:

The Curado K would be better for heavier baits in the 3/4+ oz range and the tat SV is better for lighter baits, casting into strong wind, night fishing, skipping ect.  I value the opinion of the Tackle Advisors guy and he says the Curado K is impressive with heavier baits but not so much the lighter baits.  If it wasn't for the funky green bits I'd already own a Curado K.  

I’ve never had problems casting light baits into the wind with any of my shimanos ever as a matter of fact it’s the main reason I only have shimano reels.

[Fishingmickey]

Shimano fan boy here... I have a couple of the "K's and I have a Scorpion DC. I have/am testing the waters with a Tatula SV 105. They are all fine performing reels. The Scorpion DC does very well with the light weight baits. 1/8 oz-3/16 oz T-rigs and shakey heads. The "K"s are just super smooth and fish both light and heavy fairly well as long as your not trying to chunk into a 20 mph head wind with a spinner biat or light t-rig. 

     They are all good reels. I also feel that the Shimano Casitas is a excellent reel for the money. Honestly I feel either way you go Diawa or Shimano your going to get a excellent quality reel.

 

I also have Metaniums, Chronarchs, Curado 70's hence the fan boy.

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I have been very interested in maybe preordering the diawa 100 give it a try? Why not ? I like the price point and shimano has nothing worth really trying except the for the SLX which has me less interested by the day. If only the casitas has an aluminum frame, now that would be worth it. I’d pay 150 bucks for that all day. Shimano won’t do it though because it will hurt the sales of the curado k. I presume their will be a citica k in the works very soon.

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22 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said:

My Shimanos got nothing on my Daiwas when it comes to casting light baits into the wind.  I have to pay attention and apply some thumb pressure with my Shimanos towards the end of the cast and make sure I track the the bait with my eye to ensure that I stop the spool before the bait hits the water.  With my Daiwas I fire off a cast while being blown in circles in a kayak fighting for position and if I loose contact with the bait and it splashes down then all I'll get it a few loose coils on the spool I can remove by just lifting the rod tip.  My Shimanos aren't even in the same ballpark on the planet when it comes to this kind of control but are great distance casters with the wind to my back and often cast further than a similar Daiwa.

Sounds like user error to me. 

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25 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said:

You don't know how centrifugal brakes work, do you?

I think you should be asking that to yourself ? You only seem to understand magnetic brakes.

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1 hour ago, BaitFinesse said:

I understand how they work quite well.  I understand the difference between Shimano SVS, Daiwa Magforce Z and Air Brake.  I understand the difference in braking profile and why one does better at low speed control, casting into the wind ext and another does not.  This pretty basic Daiwa/Shimano 101 stuff here.  Shimano and Daiwa have great braking systems and they do brake very differently.  You got it backwards if you thought Shimano's centrifugal braking was the one that was better at casting into the wind.  You got some studying to do.

LAWL !!!! It’s all in the thumb bro it’s not that complicated.