Two Questions About The Daiwa Zillion SV

[Big Reel]

Ok, just purchased the Tatula SV, and after learning the reel, I like it so much I’m thinking about selling (returning) it!  (That is, for the price I paid, I can nearly get the Zillion SV, which offers more distance and refinement from what I gather.) So, question one: is the Zillion SV that much better than the Tatula SV? If so, in what way? I want a good all-around reel and seek distance and control. The Tatula SV has both, but again, for near the same price, I’ll take more if the Zillion offers that. 

 

So then, question two is:how does the jdm Zillion SV differ from the US version?

 

Thanks!

[Tim Kelly]

Probably just me, but that doesn't really seem morally right. The idea is to do your research, then make the purchase.

[iabass8]

The zillion SV TW spool is a much, much better than the Tatula SV spool. 

 

 

[rippin-lips]

The zillion sv tw is going to be a bit better of a reel. It has a free floating spool and will probably feel built just a little better. It is however not going to be some huge night and day difference vs what you already have. The difference in price would be my deciding factor. $40 or less I’m getting the zillion. Jdm vs Usdm is also not going to be a big difference. It’s always something little like an extra bearing or two, a bearing in place of a plastic bushing, or sometimes longer handle depending on the reel. Also remember there is no warranty on a jdm reel in the US if you should need it. For some that’s not a concern because we are ok with ordering parts and fixing things ourselves. Others who don’t work on reels would be better off sending it back to Daiwa and having it returned all ready to go and not cost them any $. 

[Big Reel]

4 hours ago, rippin-lips said:

The zillion sv tw is going to be a bit better of a reel. It has a free floating spool and will probably feel built just a little better. It is however not going to be some huge night and day difference vs what you already have. The difference in price would be my deciding factor. $40 or less I’m getting the zillion. Jdm vs Usdm is also not going to be a big difference. It’s always something little like an extra bearing or two, a bearing in place of a plastic bushing, or sometimes longer handle depending on the reel. Also remember there is no warranty on a jdm reel in the US if you should need it. For some that’s not a concern because we are ok with ordering parts and fixing things ourselves. Others who don’t work on reels would be better off sending it back to Daiwa and having it returned all ready to go and not cost them any $. 

  I wonder if that is typically the jdm that has the better bearings? After some research all I could find was a drag difference—11# on the jdm, 13# on the US. 

5 hours ago, Tim Kelly said:

Probably just me, but that doesn't really seem morally right. The idea is to do your research, then make the purchase.

Yeah, it is. 

[CrankFate]

I am not a fan of marketing materials and did not want the SV TW spool. To the point that I’d get a Tatula CT fitted with an aftermarket low mass shallow spool, better bearings and color parts which was closer to the ballpark of a Steez SV TW. I got the CT because I thought the SV had the SV TW spool.  I have seen too many reels with the free floating spools get water and dirt from the spool inside. I’m sure that’s why Daiwa uses a solid spool on these reels. With holes in the spool the water gets onto the short spool shaft and is thrown off of the tip into and around the pinion along with any oil and dirt or grit mixed into it. Even without holes if you overoil the bearings, that oil is thrown into the pinion splashes over the gears and gets all over the drag. With a super light aftermarket shallow spool with holes in it, you’ll be outcasting the Steez, especially if you want to fish very thin braid. My CT is the same weight as a Zillion SV TW, but it will outcast it all day, even without the free floating spool.

 

IMO, the most bang for your buck is in adding a very low mass spool to the reel. You add a low mass spool, you have a better reel than an SV TW at about the same weight. It’s the same reel body as far as I know.

 

I whip the rod too hard for it to be worth it for me to use a free floating spool. The best case is going to be bearing oil all over my Drag. 

 

To to answer your question. The JDM comes in 5.5 gears ?‍♂️

 

[Big Reel]

2 hours ago, CrankFate said:

I am not a fan of marketing materials and did not want the SV TW spool. To the point that I’d get a Tatula CT fitted with an aftermarket low mass shallow spool, better bearings and color parts which was closer to the ballpark of a Steez SV TW. I got the CT because I thought the SV had the SV TW spool.  I have seen too many reels with the free floating spools get water and dirt from the spool inside. I’m sure that’s why Daiwa uses a solid spool on these reels. With holes in the spool the water gets onto the short spool shaft and is thrown off of the tip into and around the pinion along with any oil and dirt or grit mixed into it. Even without holes if you overoil the bearings, that oil is thrown into the pinion splashes over the gears and gets all over the drag. With a super light aftermarket shallow spool with holes in it, you’ll be outcasting the Steez, especially if you want to fish very thin braid. My CT is the same weight as a Zillion SV TW, but it will outcast it all day, even without the free floating spool.

 

IMO, the most bang for your buck is in adding a very low mass spool to the reel. You add a low mass spool, you have a better reel than an SV TW at about the same weight. It’s the same reel body as far as I know.

 

I whip the rod too hard for it to be worth it for me to use a free floating spool. The best case is going to be bearing oil all over my Drag. 

 

To to answer your question. The JDM comes in 5.5 gears ?‍♂️

 

Hmm, surprised to hear that the CT outcasts the Zillion SV. With the Tat SV, backlashing is almost a non-variable, so I guess distance with that SV control is what I’m interested in with the Zillion SV. 

Ill keep an eye on pinion grime, new to me. 

[CrankFate]

10 hours ago, Big Reel said:

Hmm, surprised to hear that the CT outcasts the Zillion SV. With the Tat SV, backlashing is almost a non-variable, so I guess distance with that SV control is what I’m interested in with the Zillion SV. 

Ill keep an eye on pinion grime, new to me. 

I should’ve also mentioned that I added orange seal boca bearings. With an 8 gram shallow spool from Ali Express and the bearings (direct from Boca), it casts unbelievable.   There is barely a difference between a CT and Zillion SV TW. Except the spool alone for the SV TW costs as much or more than a CT. They also make up at least half the price of a Tatula SV.

 

https://www.hedgehog-studio.co.jp/product-list/325

 

http://japantackle.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=&q=Daiwa+Sv+spool

 

I do not think these spools are worth the price. But my guess is Daiwa has to recoup its engineering costs, which is probably huge because their engineers are some of the best. And so are their materials.

[rippin-lips]

The zillion 1016 sv spool is $70 from a US company in AL.  It’s worth every penny as it’s a great spool in any reel I’ve used it in. 

[CrankFate]

5 hours ago, rippin-lips said:

The zillion 1016 sv spool is $70 from a US company in AL.  It’s worth every penny as it’s a great spool in any reel I’ve used it in. 

Yes, they are great spools, but for my purposes, aftermarket is better.   I have certain things I like, and that work better for me, but I’m not knocking anyone. I usually get better results with a shallow spool and braid. I can get down to super thin braided line to make up for line capacity without any backlash, dig in or running in between the spool and the reel, which for some reason happens with deeper spools.

 

if you haven’t tried aftermarket parts — especially low mass shallow spools, IMO, you should.  

[Tywithay]

17 hours ago, Big Reel said:

Hmm, surprised to hear that the CT outcasts the Zillion SV. With the Tat SV, backlashing is almost a non-variable, so I guess distance with that SV control is what I’m interested in with the Zillion SV. 

Ill keep an eye on pinion grime, new to me. 

Most non-SV reels with outcast an SV reel, regardless of a free floating spool. My Steez A TW and Zillion 1516H will get an extra 10-15 yards over my Zillion SV, without any real difference in control, as far as I can tell. The Daiwa RCS G1 spools are pretty much as good as it gets, so SV doesn't really offer a ton of benefits, unless you're casting very light baits.

[Big Reel]

4 hours ago, Tywithay said:

Most non-SV reels with outcast an SV reel, regardless of a free floating spool. My Steez A TW and Zillion 1516H will get an extra 10-15 yards over my Zillion SV, without any real difference in control, as far as I can tell. The Daiwa RCS G1 spools are pretty much as good as it gets, so SV doesn't really offer a ton of benefits, unless you're casting very light baits.

Do those reels backlash as little as the SV spooled reels? The Tat SV rarely overruns. 

[Tywithay]

5 minutes ago, Big Reel said:

Do those reels backlash as little as the SV spooled reels? The Tat SV rarely overruns. 

I don't recall having backlash problems with any of my Daiwa reels, unless I get brave and turn the brakes down too much or throw light lures straight into the wind. I usually keep all of mine in the 5-7 range on the dial and rarely have to touch the spool until it splashes.

[CrankFate]

On 7/9/2018 at 6:05 PM, BaitFinesse said:

Those DIY spools for the Tatula reels are great but they are different enough from the SV spools to own both.  The DIYs are really meant for finesse fishing and are very shallow. Even the deeper long cast DIY is still very shallow.  They are faster spools that are less controlled at low speed.  Translation: they suck at skipping compared to an SV spool.  

 

A DIY Long Cast in a Tatula CT or Feugo CT spooled with #20 braid does make for an affordable high performing reel that is highly capable with finesse baits.

Yes, why not get both!? 

 

They might suck at skipping, because they have less weight momentum. I just cast and skip by pulling the rod tip in quickly while cranking the line up. Like a backwards skip.

[Shawn Kelley]

Does anyone know if you can put a zillion sv spool into a tatula sv reel?

[fishwizzard]

17 minutes ago, Shawn Kelley said:

Does anyone know if you can put a zillion sv spool into a tatula sv reel?

Nope, they are quite different spools.  

[diehardbassfishing]

Spool difference - Tatula has an Axle, Zillion spool is Free Floating. Free Floating spool is supported by a bearing on spool tension side. Spool tension is achieved by a plastic rod (that does not turn) between the spool tension cap and the spool. Tatula axle rides against the tension cap directly.

 

Karl