Tatula SV Problem

[Big Reel]

First post here, so I guess i should say hello to start. Long time lurker here, seems like a great forum— your advice is appreciated. 

 

So, I bought a new Daiwa Tatula SV recently. Got it home, spun the spool around before putting on line. Everything was normal, and then, the reel felt slow, wound kinda milky. When I pushed the spool, it clicked a second time even though the thumb bar was already up. Clicked the thumb bar again, spun the handle, fine. Then, once every 10 to 40 times, it would do it again. Winds slower, like its gummed up, then, touch the spool, it clicks, and back to normal. So, I took the reel back to BPS, explained the situation, and no one knew the answer. When we tried the other Tatula’s, they did the same thing. Four in total! So, is this a Daiwa thing, a defect or do I just need line? This is my first Daiwa reel and I’m excited to fish it, but I’d like to know what this is before I settle in. Anyone else familiar with this? Should I return it? The Zillion SV does look nice...

 

 

[jbrew73]

My guess is that The clutch is not fully engaging.  It can happen  when there is no load on the spool.

i wouldn't worry about it.  

 bass pro should have at least offered some opinion on this.  

[Big Reel]

Thanks. Yeah, don’t think it will be a big problem, but never having seen a bad word against these reels, it really surprised me. 

[BobbyBudnick]

Make sure the drag is turned up some. Sometimes if I press the thumb bar down and then turn the handle, the clutch does not fully engage unless the drag is tightened up a bit. 

[Big Reel]

29 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said:

Sounds like a clutch problem.  If this was a reel that has been used a lot I would say the clutch spring is weak but with being a new reel, it is time to return it.

Yeah, but it was the same on EVERY reel! Somebody else has got to have this problem...or will soon. 

[jbrew73]

Try it with your thumb on the spool with light tension. I'm guessing that it will engage.  I have seen several reels do it.  

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

The t wing reels have more moving parts attached to the clutch and tend to require a very positive crank of the handle to engage. I doubt the whole rack full of reels is defective. I'd have to see it to diagnose with any certainty. 

[diehardbassfishing]

Yes - the spool needs to be "loaded" to return from cast mode. That means, a reasonably tight drag, and spool with some "pull" on it.

 

When clutch returns to normal line winding mode - it's a two step process.

1- On turning the reel handle the yoke in the reel changes position - allowing the pinion gear to move toward the spool. Must have drag set with some tension to complete this.

2- Now the pinion gear needs to have it's slots line up with the spool axle pin. When they line up, the pinion gear moves farther toward the spool, and is fully engaged. This can happen with no load on the spool - if your lucky. And commonly will. But will always easily engage with load on the spool.

 

Karl

 

Correct on the T-Wing reel. Without the drag set reasonably firm, the mechanics will not rotate enough to release the yoke.

 

Karl

[burrows]

You can go to bass pro and just exchange it for peace of mind?

[jbrew73]

Fish it.  

[diehardbassfishing]

What He Said...

 

No defect.

 

First bass on the line will cure all doubts.

 

Karl

 

 

 

[MickD]

Sounds pretty clear this is a characteristic of the T wing reels, not a defect.  I have one and have not noticed this.  Is it possible that because I still have my thumb on the spool when I engage that I don't notice it?  My experience with mine has left me with the conclusion that it's the best casting baitcaster I've ever had, and I've had a goodly number of different brands.

[LadiMopar]

I own 3 T-wing reels and noticed this little hiccup before they were set up. Not an issue. Load that puppy up and get out on the water!?

[Big Reel]

Thanks all. Fished the reel, not an issue, just needed a load. This reel can really sling a lure, much more distance than I expected. Makes me curious about the Zillion and Steez reels. 

[NathanDLTH]

I have three Tatula SVs, two Zillion SVs and neither of them have this issue. They are consistent performers and no issues. 

[CrankFate]

I see the problem is resolved and I agree with the answers that say this happens when the spool is not under a load or tension.

 

As as an FYI, there are 2 springs attached to the pinion yoke in probably all one speed reels. They apply spring loaded pressure on the spool.  Sometimes the pinion might not be aligned properly and it prevents the pinion from engaging the pinion/spool, which triggers all of the other mechanisms related to the thumb bar (and on Daiwas, the T-Wing). 

 

If if you read through all of the paperwork for the reel, there is a warning that says not to press the thumbar or spin the handle without the spool in the reel—because it could cause damage to the pinion or main gear.  I dont have the exact words of the warning with me at work, but it’s in there because of this.

 

if you click the thumb bar and then turn the handle without the spool inserted, the spring energy could cause the pinion to pop out of alignment and get damaged when you turn the handle.

 

 

 

 

[Big Reel]

1 hour ago, CrankFate said:

I see the problem is resolved and I agree with the answers that say this happens when the spool is not under a load or tension.

 

As as an FYI, there are 2 springs attached to the pinion yoke in probably all one speed reels. They apply spring loaded pressure on the spool.  Sometimes the pinion might not be aligned properly and it prevents the pinion from engaging the pinion/spool, which triggers all of the other mechanisms related to the thumb bar (and on Daiwas, the T-Wing). 

 

If if you read through all of the paperwork for the reel, there is a warning that says not to press the thumbar or spin the handle without the spool in the reel—because it could cause damage to the pinion or main gear.  I dont have the exact words of the warning with me at work, but it’s in there because of this.

 

if you click the thumb bar and then turn the handle without the spool inserted, the spring energy could cause the pinion to pop out of alignment and get damaged when you turn the handle.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the info. I’ve had that happen with a Tourney MB once. The pinion slips I think when this happens but will realign eventually. 

3 hours ago, NathanDLTH said:

I have three Tatula SVs, two Zillion SVs and neither of them have this issue. They are consistent performers and no issues. 

Is the casting distance and smoothness significantly greater with the Zillion SV?

[iabass8]

10 minutes ago, Big Reel said:

Thanks for the info. I’ve had that happen with a Tourney MB once. The pinion slips I think when this happens but will realign eventually. 

Is the casting distance and smoothness significantly greater with the Zillion SV?

Yes. The Zillion G1 SV spool is a much better spool than the Tatulas SV spool. Smoothness is relative but if you add 2 bearings instead of bushings to the levelwind it improves the reel's retrieve. However, if you clean the bearings really well in the Tatula, it will improve your distance. 

[Big Reel]

5 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

Yes. The Zillion G1 SV spool is a much better spool than the Tatulas SV spool. Smoothness is relative but if you add 2 bearings instead of bushings to the levelwind it improves the reel's retrieve. However, if you clean the bearings really well in the Tatula, it will improve your distance. 

Ok, cool. For what I paid bps and what I can get a Z SV for on the auction site, might have to...return, refund, rebuy.