casting ultra light lures

[Brad in Texas]

8 hours ago, Arcs&sparks said:

That’s a pretty good watch.  I don’t study other states fishing regulations but that would be illegal in Maine, As with A-rigs.  I hear we have some of the most strict laws in the country. The OP hasn’t given his location, but just a suggestion to him or anyone else,  learn your law book.  

Good point about different laws in different states!

 

I'm uncertain, though, what part of what he does in that video would be illegal in Maine? Curious only.

 

I was specifically interested in his idea of pulling the trebles off of a very small hard-body bait, then using it to act as sort of a float to better operate a small fly or something else dragging along behind it. Can't recall where in the video he shows this but it seems around the 5 minute mark or so.

 

I think he has further refined his ideas, made some modifications to his riggings, best practices in another video he sells or something.

 

Agreed on the video being a "pretty good watch" as often, it seems especially so with fly anglers, they seem very meticulous in all details, keep exacting records. They are often the very detail-oriented, precision anglers within the community of fishermen.

 

Brad

[MickD]

The longer the rod the better, the advice on 6-9 and longer is very good.  The rod also has to load properly.  Your current rod is not loading much at all from what you describe.

 

For custom builders there are now much better options than building from fly blanks.  Look for the recommended line test (should go down to 4 pound test) and lure weight (should go down to 1/16.  Rods will work pretty well outside the recommendations, but don't stretch them much for this very challenging technique.  

[Arcs&sparks]

41 minutes ago, Brad in Texas said:

I'm uncertain, though, what part of what he does in that video would be illegal in Maine? Curious only.

 

I was specifically interested in his idea of pulling the trebles off of a very small hard-body bait, then using it to act as sort of a float to better operate a small fly or something else dragging along behind it. Can't recall where in the video he shows this but it seems around the 5 minute mark or so.

 

 

Here, You can’t use more than one lure or bait with hooks on one rod.  The crankbait trick is cool,  similar concept to trolling dodgers.

[Brad in Texas]

2 minutes ago, Arcs&sparks said:

Here, You can’t use more than one lure or bait with hooks on one rod.  The crankbait trick is cool,  similar concept to trolling dodgers.

Very good! Several states have this rule as I believe you mentioned. So, removing the hooks from a lure and using it as a streamline float would be okay . . . as long as a single lure/fly, etc. drags behind it.

 

I actually like that rule. I've never been a big fan of Alabama Rigs, Donkey Rigs and others where multiple lures are dragged around, not for sport fishing. Doesn't seem very sporting to me.

 

Thanks!  Brad

[Arcs&sparks]

15 minutes ago, Brad in Texas said:

So, removing the hooks from a lure and using it as a streamline float would be okay . . . as long as a single lure/fly, etc. drags behind it.

 

I actually like that rule. 

Correct,  that part of the video is fine.  And you can throw an A-rig if you want,  but only one of the baits can have hooks. 

[Black Hawk Basser]

I'd suggest at least a 7' rod to increase casting distance.  I have a 8' B&M Crappie rod that's really whippy but has a lot of backbone.  I use a 25 size President with 4 lb mono.

 

I use it for panfishing and light walleye jigs.

[Hulkster]

I know they are an investment, but the G. Loomis Trout series of UL rods are incredible

 

I have the TSR791 that I use with 4 pound test Sufix Siege mono on a 1000 size shimano spinning reel and it is amazing. They make a few rods in the lineup that are longer and lighter for throwing really light stuff. they are worth a look if you are hardcore into UL fishing like me. 

[The Fisher]

22 hours ago, DanielB said:

I'm looking for a spinning rod not a fly rod.

right now i'm leaning towards a st croix 6ft 9 panfish rod.

 

Very, very nice rod for really small panfish baits. I have one with a Tatula LT 1000 and 6# Silver Thread AN40 coploymer line,  but if you hook into a decent bass, have your drag set really loose.  Trust me, it bends so far it scares me that it will snap.

[WRB]

St. croix Pan Fish series PST69ULF rod is designed to do what the OP is looking for, light flexible upper 1/3 with high modulus lower section and weighs 2.8 oz. reel should be between 5.5-6.2 oz to balanced well.

Tom

[DanielB]

18 hours ago, Brad in Texas said:

Here you go.  Really worth a watch for any ultra-light anglers, fly guys.

 

Brad

 

Fly Fishing with Spinning Rod

Great vid I'm in west virginia and i dont believe they have any rules against this.

[WRB]

You are better off using a clear casting bubble that can be filled partially with water. See videos for reference.

When using lures that have very different retreive speeds inline or daisy chained on a leader nothing works goods and often snags loosing everything.

Tom

[Further North]

On 7/3/2018 at 1:13 PM, WRB said:

Fly rod, cast the line and the light fly goes along for the ride.

I'm glad someone else said it, this time. ?

[Nuff]

I have a 7ft UL Temple Fork Outfitter travel rod paired with a Pflueger president 30 with 4lb trilene xt and I can cast a 1/64oz trout magnet almost as far as my baitcaster.

Anything lighter than that use a bobber for the weight and a 3-5ft leader to a fly.  Then left it drift.

 

I also have a $40 berkley lightning rod Trout 8fter UL and it casts just as far at the TFO but I prefer the action and the split grips on the TFO.

[new2BC4bass]

5 hours ago, Nuff said:

I have a 7ft UL Temple Fork Outfitter travel rod paired with a Pflueger president 30 with 4lb trilene xt and I can cast a 1/64oz trout magnet almost as far as my baitcaster.

Anything lighter than that use a bobber for the weight and a 3-5ft leader to a fly.  Then left it drift.

 

I also have a $40 berkley lightning rod Trout 8fter UL and it casts just as far at the TFO but I prefer the action and the split grips on the TFO.

Isn't a baitcaster a little too heavy to be casting on an UL rod?  What do you catch using a baitcaster as a lure? 

 

Joking aside, why would you use a spinning rod if you can cast 1/64 oz. lure further using a baitcast reel?

[Nuff]

10 hours ago, new2BC4bass said:

Isn't a baitcaster a little too heavy to be casting on an UL rod?  What do you catch using a baitcaster as a lure? 

 

Joking aside, why would you use a spinning rod if you can cast 1/64 oz. lure further using a baitcast reel?

I should of made it more obvious.   I can almost get the same cast distance with my UL spinning combo vs any of my baitcaster bass setups throwing much higher weights.

[new2BC4bass]

2 hours ago, Nuff said:

I should of made it more obvious.   I can almost get the same cast distance with my UL spinning combo vs any of my baitcaster bass setups throwing much higher weights.

I knew what you meant.  I was just busting your you know what. 

[looking45]

I fish a 1/32oz head with spinning gear and have no problems with distance. My set up is a Gloomis IMX SJR 781, 18# Daiwa Samura braid and a Vicious Pro Elite 4# 6' leader. The reel is a Shimano Ci4 1000. The 781 is no longer made and is very hard to find, but an IMX SJR 782 would work just as well, just a little stiffer tip