ohboyitsrobby Posted July 2, 2018 Author Posted July 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, Montanaro said: I would be investigsting WHY the other guy didnt see the lights. His mistake, yalls? Some people flick them off when fishing and yall may not have turned them back on. Our lights were for sure on. We never turn them off. If the bugs ever get too bad while fishing i hang my hat over the stern light and I had my hat on so I know it was uncovered. Quote
Todd2 Posted July 2, 2018 Posted July 2, 2018 Speed and night time boating is recipe for disaster IMO. I have a Spot light that I use sparingly. It blinds other boaters, because their's is blinding me. I've seen kayakers in the middle of the lake without lights at midnight. Not smart, but does it matter whose fault it is in a tragedy? Keep the speed down and make it home safe. 1 Quote
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted July 2, 2018 Super User Posted July 2, 2018 I'm glad you're still here to make this post. Quote
Troy85 Posted July 2, 2018 Posted July 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, Todd2 said: I have a Spot light that I use sparingly. It blinds other boaters, because their's is blinding me. Don't you just hate that. Your eyes have adjusted to the darkness, you see another boat coming and what does he do. He turns on his spot light and points it right in your face....its like, thanks man, now I'm night blind for the next 5 minutes. 1 Quote
Arcs&sparks Posted July 2, 2018 Posted July 2, 2018 The other driver was probably using his gps to navigate and not looking ahead. 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted July 2, 2018 Super User Posted July 2, 2018 On 6/30/2018 at 10:39 AM, ohboyitsrobby said: So as we're running we see a boat headed our way so we turned left to go past Wrong answer. Sorry, rules of navigation dictate you pass on the right. It also helps to show your red Port side light to them. Look for them to do the same, then you know they see you. Unless it is wide open water, and no other boats around, 45 mph is WAY too fast for night running. 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 2, 2018 Super User Posted July 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, J Francho said: Wrong answer. Sorry, rules of navigation dictate you pass on the right. It also helps to show your red Port side light to them. Look for them to do the same, then you know they see you. Unless it is wide open water, and no other boats around, 45 mph is WAY too fast for night running. That would be correct ? It's quite common for me to run 60, 70, & even 80 mph at night! Now y'all must understand I running in a clearly boat lanes with boat traffic around. Once I've marked the buoys for the boat operator I'm constantly sweeping in front of the boat & back to the buoys. As another boat approaches I will not light up the boat but I'll hit a spot a few yards in front of em. Quote
Super User TOXIC Posted July 2, 2018 Super User Posted July 2, 2018 Glad you got lucky. You just described how a majority of boating accidents happen both day or night. When I was guiding and on the lake a lot there was a rule I operated under. #1. There are no rules. Why?...... Because you can never, never, never, trust that the other guy has read the rules. Have I read, studied and been tested on the USCG Rules of the Road? Yes I have.....but that doesn't mean the boat bearing down on my bow has. Or they aren't intoxicated. Or they aren't distracted. Or they aren't paying attention.....or, or, or............Just too many variables as to why they didn't know what to do. You had the darkness of night to complicate things even more. Here's what I do every time I am meeting a boat head on.....I show them my side, meaning I make an exaggerated turn (the right way if possible) and show them the broadside of my boat. There's no doubt which way I am turning. And yes, sometimes it's to my port side which is against the rules but if the situation warrants it, that's the way I am turning because I don't want them hooking me out of the water with my head split ear to ear and saying " Well, at least he was right". 3 Quote
Super User WRB Posted July 2, 2018 Super User Posted July 2, 2018 Robby your warning to be careful this 4th of July holiday week is appreciated. I appologize for blaming you for what occurred and you are lucky to be alive! Traveling at 45 mph at night is extremely dangerous because you can't see and blinding oncoming boats with a spot light is also dangerous, using a spot light to help see what's ahead is a good idea. My point about closing speed was overlooked and a critical factor of boating accidents because both boats are going very fast, eg; yours at 45 mph + the other boats was on plane going 35 mph? or faster = 80 mph or faster. At 80 mph your are closing at 120' per second. By the time your brain can react you are 200' closer to a head on collision, starting to turn takes another second and both boat have traveled over a football field toward each other and you can't see that far or have any perspective of judging distance at night. Slow down at night, in California where I fish at night the speed limit is 10 mph. Tom Quote
Super User Ratherbfishing Posted July 2, 2018 Super User Posted July 2, 2018 I almost bumped into another boat at idle speed because I couldn't/didn't see him. I can't imagine flying along at 40 mph at night. That's plenty fast in the daytime-as far as I'm concerned. Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 2, 2018 Super User Posted July 2, 2018 I guess we have better boat operators cause most boat accidents are in broad daylight...well maybe not! Quote
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted July 2, 2018 Super User Posted July 2, 2018 3 hours ago, TOXIC said: Glad you got lucky. You just described how a majority of boating accidents happen both day or night. When I was guiding and on the lake a lot there was a rule I operated under. #1. There are no rules. Why?...... Because you can never, never, never, trust that the other guy has read the rules. Have I read, studied and been tested on the USCG Rules of the Road? Yes I have.....but that doesn't mean the boat bearing down on my bow has. Or they aren't intoxicated. Or they aren't distracted. Or they aren't paying attention.....or, or, or............Just too many variables as to why they didn't know what to do. You had the darkness of night to complicate things even more. Here's what I do every time I am meeting a boat head on.....I show them my side, meaning I make an exaggerated turn (the right way if possible) and show them the broadside of my boat. There's no doubt which way I am turning. And yes, sometimes it's to my port side which is against the rules but if the situation warrants it, that's the way I am turning because I don't want them hooking me out of the water with my head split ear to ear and saying " Well, at least he was right". You're right. There are no rules. I know a guy (who always goes WAY to fast) who was going across the lake one night when an anchored house boat heard him coming and suddenly turned on their lights right in front of him. He turned quickly and barely hit the boat at an angle. He was not hurt but it ripped a big chunk of fiberglass out of the side of his boat. He was lucky. People don't follow the rules. Quote
jbmaine Posted July 2, 2018 Posted July 2, 2018 A few years ago there was a fatality on one of the lakes I fish. Kids were running around at night ( probably done it a hundred times ) and ran their boat onto a point into an oak tree. The tree won. Quote
ohboyitsrobby Posted July 2, 2018 Author Posted July 2, 2018 I trust the driver of the boat more than anyone else I've been on the water with my entire life. And above being the driver that evening and my team partner most tournaments he's my friend. Did he possibly make a mistake that night? Maybe. But as stated a little bit above the rules don't always apply. Could we have followed the proper rules that night and nothing happened? Possibly or we could've had another boat in our boat. You just don't know what other ppl are gonna do. What I do know was when a decision had to be made he did what he thought had to be done and I trust his decision. I didn't share my experience for people to call others idiots or fools. At one point or another we've all done something stupid. It was just a cautionary tale. Especially with the upcoming holiday with its drunks out and ppl sitting stationary in the middle of the lake with no lights on. Hope everyone has a wonderful and safe independence day. 2 Quote
Super User Sam Posted July 2, 2018 Super User Posted July 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Catt said: @Sam see below ? We run WOT all the time at night, one person operates the boat one handles the Q-beam! 3,000,000 candle power will turn darkness into light! Wow! My light is an XPS Extreme Performance series 2000 lumens handheld model. It does a good job but yours is dynamite. Of course, we don't have to be on the lookout for gators in Virginia, only fools on the water. 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 3, 2018 Super User Posted July 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Sam said: Wow! My light is an XPS Extreme Performance series 2000 lumens handheld model. It does a good job but yours is dynamite. Of course, we don't have to be on the lookout for gators in Virginia, only fools on the water. One candle power is 12.57 lumens That puts the Max Million III at 37,710,000 lumens or 18,855 times brighter than your XPS Extreme Performance. People who have never used a Max Million III have idea how powerful they are. Quote
Arcs&sparks Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, Catt said: One candle power is 12.57 lumens That puts the Max Million III at 37,710,000 lumens or 18,855 times brighter than your XPS Extreme Performance. People who have never used a Max Million III have idea how powerful they are. Your flood light is not 37 million lumens... sorry bud. ? 1 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 3, 2018 Super User Posted July 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, Arcs&sparks said: Your flood light is not 37 million lumens... sorry bud. ? One candle power is 12.57 lumens, you do the math! Multiple 3,000,000 by 12.57 & what do you get? My calculator says 37,710,000 Quote
Arcs&sparks Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 @CattThey are not equal measurements, and you have no idea how rediculous 37million lumens would be. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Brinkmann-Q-Beam-12V-DC-Spotlight/478577389?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=2094&adid=22222222228135668466&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=244225920618&wl4=pla-430562609684&wl5=1018904&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113148485&wl11=online&wl12=478577389&wl13=&veh=sem read the description. 1,200 lumens The reason those cheap flood lights say candlepower is to impress the customer. Its only a 100watt halogen bulb ? Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 3, 2018 Super User Posted July 3, 2018 Lumens Lumens refers to the amount of visible light that is created by any type of light source. Just think of it like this: whereas candlepower measures the light given off by a single candle, lumens measure the area illuminated by the candle. Because candlepower and lumens measure different qualities, they have different ratios, with 1 candlepower = 12.57 lumens. http://www.defenseunit.com/candlepower-vs-lumen-definition/ Quote
Super User TOXIC Posted July 3, 2018 Super User Posted July 3, 2018 I do know it is illegal to run at night with any lights other than USCG approved navigation lights. Spotlights and mounted lights are classified as Docking Lights and are not to be used while running. When I am in Wisconsin and we are out for our evening pontoon cruise, we do use a spotlight to light up the dock and to spot channel buoys in very narrow stretches of some of the lakes but never while running. I would also never spotlight an approaching vessel. You just blinded them and increased the chance they will not be able to see you. A few flashes off to the side usually alerts them if they have not seen your red/green nav lights or your white stern light. Everybody be safe and as has been said, this week is going to be extreemly busy in addition to some intoxicated operators. 3 Quote
Arcs&sparks Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Catt said: 1 candlepower = 12.57 lumens. http://www.defenseunit.com/candlepower-vs-lumen-definition/ Not sure if you’re trolling or not? The flood light manufacturer doesn’t follow the same math as you Quote
ohboyitsrobby Posted July 3, 2018 Author Posted July 3, 2018 I'm just throwing this out there but catt is on the shortlist of most respected members so I seriously doubt he's trolling. Quote
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