KVD 1.5 Square Bill Vs. Others

[Chance_Taker4]

I like the H2O squarebills. great value but like others have stated I'd prefer to go with 6th sense or skirmish baits. My gripe with the KVD, H2O and the cheap LC baits are the finish, hooks, and lack of quality control. It seems that I have to tune them every time I get them out of the package to get them to run like they are supposed to. I'd rather pay the few extra dollars for top notch components and better quality control.

[bigbassin']

$7?  Check Walmart, they sell the KVD 1.5 for $4.50 by me. 

[Troy85]

I bought a 1.5 sexy shad and tried it out this past Sunday.  Caught 11 Bass and 3 Redfish with it.  Would my H2O express in shad color worked just as well?  I guess we will never know, when the fish are biting, its hard to change lures just to see what happens haha.  

[Catt]

Bill Lewis Echo 1.75 ?

[KDW96]

2 hours ago, Catt said:

Bill Lewis Echo 1.75 ?

 

Ive got my share of them myself. They gotta rattle sound of their own : )

[Troy85]

Those are some nice looking crank baits.  I love fishing crank baits, probably my favorite way to catch em....Well, probably second favorite, 1st has to be top water naturally.  

[BrackishBassin]

On 6/21/2018 at 10:30 AM, Pickle_Power said:

My all-time favorite square bill is the Bomber Square A.  They have always been an economical choice, but they seem to be harder to find lately.  The 2" version is just right for largemouths, and the 1-5/8" version is great for everything in rivers around here.

My local WalMart has a whole bin of them on clearance pretty much all of the time. I’ve picked up 8 or so in the past year (cranking from the bank can be problematic). 

[Crankin4Bass]

On 6/22/2018 at 7:39 AM, scaleface said:

I used KVD squarebills a few times and havent caught much .Switch to another bait and hammer them . So I havent used one for a couple of years . The baits that have out-fished them for me are the Luck E Strike Rick Clunn , Rapala Crankin Rap and vintage Rogers Big Jim . 

Same here. I've had good luck with the Rick Clunn ones. Copper Perch, Green Copper Shad and Green Ghost colors are my favorites. 

[burrows]

On 6/22/2018 at 2:47 PM, iabass8 said:

And no, I don't like 6th sense squarebills and prefer LC. However, I would fish a 6th sense before any of the 7$ "LC"

I just happened to open up my square bill box today and go over the differences between theses two baits and you’re totally wrong about better paint jobs better hooks or hardware, whatever, the lucky crafts (the cheap ones) offer way better components much stouter hooks their split rings excel way above the 6 sense and from my experience fishing with both brands and owning both brands the lucky crafts run true compared to the 6 brand that definitely need tuning here and there straight out the box so I really doubt that you have much experience fishing these baits. Highly doubt it.

 

[iabass8]

55 minutes ago, Burros said:

I just happened to open up my square bill box today and go over the differences between theses two baits and you’re totally wrong about better paint jobs better hooks or hardware, whatever, the lucky crafts (the cheap ones) offer way better components much stouter hooks their split rings excel way above the 6 sense and from my experience fishing with both brands and owning both brands the lucky crafts run true compared to the 6 brand that definitely need tuning here and there straight out the box so I really doubt that you have much experience fishing these baits. Highly doubt it.

 

 

As somebody who has fished squarebills ranging from 50$ and on the occasion the sub 10$ market for years, I do know the quality difference, or lack there of, in components and cheap squarebills. I have years and years of experience fishing the "standard" LC and as of 2 years ago used the cheap 7$ LC. It does indeed lack quality control, the LC standard of paint, and hardware. This isn't an opinion. The company literally came out and said that is what they did /w the 7$ LC as a customer appreciation just so you can own something /w a "LC name" and now pay the 15$ tag.

 

They are your run of the mill split rings and cheap hooks. The 6th sense, again, I'm not putting on a 6th sense jersey here, uses a better hook. None of the ones I've used and still use in the curve have rolled quickly being tossed into zebra muscle rocks. Comparing a paint job by just looking at it isn't practical and not the purpose of explaining why one is better. I've dragged both baits through zebra muscle infested wingdams, chunk rock bolders and early spring gravel for months. The 6th sense, the ones left I still use, only have your average hook rash. The 7$ LC looks like it's been sanded down. Even the BX Brat looks better than the cheap LC after the spring. 

 

Your complaint of "they aren't as stout" is a personal preference. Some people prefer to fish squarebills /w a lighter gauge. When I'm fishing plastic crankbaits, it's generally around rock and a lighter gauge hook is more beneficial. Anything non rock is usually done /w balsa and heavier hooks.

 

Most of the cookie cutter <10$ squarebills are nearly identical in performance. You're picking something you just like to look at or a name at that point. There's nothing special, for the most part, about them. Plastic crankbaits of all price points can need some sort of tuning now and again aside from the S-Crank and sonic side so far. It's to be expected because a plastic squarebill is, if fished correctly, being beat to death. If it's running perfect out of the box, great. Two hours throwing them in docks /w chunk rock and you'll be tuning it anyway to how you want it to run into a post. You don't want a squarebill to run "perfect", ever.  As long as it doesn't roll at speeds, it's fine. 

 

I'm not telling you these are "junk". I'm saying there isn't a huge difference performance wise in the cheap squarebill market. What sets them all apart is cosmetic and if I'm spending my money on something, I want it to hold up. 

[burrows]

1 hour ago, iabass8 said:

 

As somebody who has fished squarebills ranging from 50$ and on the occasion the sub 10$ market for years, I do know the quality difference, or lack there of, in components and cheap squarebills. I have years and years of experience fishing the "standard" LC and as of 2 years ago used the cheap 7$ LC. It does indeed lack quality control, the LC standard of paint, and hardware. This isn't an opinion. The company literally came out and said that is what they did /w the 7$ LC as a customer appreciation just so you can own something /w a "LC name" and now pay the 15$ tag.

 

They are your run of the mill split rings and cheap hooks. The 6th sense, again, I'm not putting on a 6th sense jersey here, uses a better hook. None of the ones I've used and still use in the curve have rolled quickly being tossed into zebra muscle rocks. Comparing a paint job by just looking at it isn't practical and not the purpose of explaining why one is better. I've dragged both baits through zebra muscle infested wingdams, chunk rock bolders and early spring gravel for months. The 6th sense, the ones left I still use, only have your average hook rash. The 7$ LC looks like it's been sanded down. Even the BX Brat looks better than the cheap LC after the spring. 

 

Your complaint of "they aren't as stout" is a personal preference. Some people prefer to fish squarebills /w a lighter gauge. When I'm fishing plastic crankbaits, it's generally around rock and a lighter gauge hook is more beneficial. Anything non rock is usually done /w balsa and heavier hooks.

 

Most of the cookie cutter <10$ squarebills are nearly identical in performance. You're picking something you just like to look at or a name at that point. There's nothing special, for the most part, about them. Plastic crankbaits of all price points can need some sort of tuning now and again aside from the S-Crank and sonic side so far. It's to be expected because a plastic squarebill is, if fished correctly, being beat to death. If it's running perfect out of the box, great. Two hours throwing them in docks /w chunk rock and you'll be tuning it anyway to how you want it to run into a post. You don't want a squarebill to run "perfect", ever.  As long as it doesn't roll at speeds, it's fine. 

 

I'm not telling you these are "junk". I'm saying there isn't a huge difference performance wise in the cheap squarebill market. What sets them all apart is cosmetic and if I'm spending my money on something, I want it to hold up. 

I agree with you on a lot of what you’re saying, and I’m not putting on the lc Jersey either the rto were my favorite from lc and they are no longer available. Tuning a crankbait is part of crankbait fishing so I have to say that I agree with you on that as well, I just don’t feel the 6 crush 50 offers anything better than the lc cheapy squarebills in my opinion if there going to offer something that everyone else offers why charge more for it. I do like the 75x and feel that is a bait worth paying for since it is a square bill that offers something different for cooler water than other cold water crankbaits. The conclusion of the matter will have to be that we can agree to disagree at least when it comes to this topic.??????

[BuzzHudson19c]

I love the KVD 1.5. My go to smallie squarebill (blk/chart)

 

I actually really like the Rapala scatter rap crank. Not a true square bill, but man they work.