Replacement trebles

[NHBull]

Gents,

Just looking to see what folks are replacing MB vision 110 and +1 trebles.

 Thanks 

Al

[fishballer06]

The new Gamakatsu G-Finesse hooks are perfect for jerkbaits. Super sticky sharp and a nice light wire for easy hookups on fish that slap at the bait.

[Brett's_daddy]

Okay, I may be a little off par here and if i am i apologize OP by why on God's green Earth do you need to replace hooks on a $25 lure? IMO any lure that costs $25 should come equipped with great hooks already. That being said everybody seems to like the new zo-wire hooks from Owner.

[Angry John]

18 minutes ago, Brett's_daddy said:

Okay, I may be a little off par here and if i am i apologize OP by why on God's green Earth do you need to replace hooks on a $25 lure? IMO any lure that costs $25 should come equipped with great hooks already. That being said everybody seems to like the new zo-wire hooks from Owner.

They are very light wire and gethe bent easy.  Also there is a huge market for used mb baits, and a lot of the hooks need replacing.

[Brett's_daddy]

2 hours ago, Angry John said:

They are very light wire and gethe bent easy.  Also there is a huge market for used mb baits, and a lot of the hooks need replacing.

Still doesn't sit well with me! If I'm paying the ridiculous amount of $25 per jerkbait etc. there is no way in hell i want to have to then turn around and immediately spend another $10 to upgrade the brand new hooks that are on it. For $25 that bait should come with premium hooks already installed!!!

[NHBull]

2 hours ago, Brett's_daddy said:

Okay, I may be a little off par here and if i am i apologize OP by why on God's green Earth do you need to replace hooks on a $25 lure? IMO any lure that costs $25 should come equipped with great hooks already. That being said everybody seems to like the new zo-wire hooks from Owner.

The best hooks in the world will dullen over the years, and it’s been years.....and where did I say I paid $25 for them

[iabass8]

33 minutes ago, Brett's_daddy said:

Still doesn't sit well with me! If I'm paying the ridiculous amount of $25 per jerkbait etc. there is no way in hell i want to have to then turn around and immediately spend another $10 to upgrade the brand new hooks that are on it. For $25 that bait should come with premium hooks already installed!!!

He isn't, and likely nobody else is, replacing them directly after purchase. Hooks bend out, dull, points roll over after time and use. 

[Brett's_daddy]

9 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

He isn't, and likely nobody else is, replacing them directly after purchase. Hooks bend out, dull, points roll over after time and use. 

I guess I assumed...shame on me .

Sorry NHBull...wasn't knocking you at all, more the fact that an expensive bait would need hooks replaced before they were even fished but like I said above, that was me assuming and we all know what we get when we do that .

[fishballer06]

Replacing the hooks on a lure is like upgrading the tires on a sports car. You paid for the lure, so make it your own. 

[5by3]

The stock hooks on the Mb 110s are terrible for a $25 imo. I swap them out regardless. I’ve just been using gamakatsu round bend #6 but I would like to try the g finesse hooks mentioned above.

[corn-on-the-rob]

The whole "expensive lures should have good hooks" is a bit misguided.

 

A lot of company these days that are in the higher price range build their reputation around the craftsmanship of the lure; the body/action/finish. All of the costing is put towards this, and the margins are smaller than you'd think.

 

So these already pricey baits may have a much harder time selling with premium hooks since that will add a few more dollars to the already high sale price, which may lower volume of sales. It is also compounded by the fact that treble hook choice/types/sizes is diverse and are as much preference as the color of a bait that selling just one configuration of premium hooks is not going to make everyone happy at the price-point.

 

Basically, keep prices a little lower, and people can leave the mediocre hooks on, or change them at will.

[Brett's_daddy]

11 hours ago, corn-on-the-rob said:

The whole "expensive lures should have good hooks" is a bit misguided.

 

A lot of company these days that are in the higher price range build their reputation around the craftsmanship of the lure; the body/action/finish. All of the costing is put towards this, and the margins are smaller than you'd think.

 

So these already pricey baits may have a much harder time selling with premium hooks since that will add a few more dollars to the already high sale price, which may lower volume of sales. It is also compounded by the fact that treble hook choice/types/sizes is diverse and are as much preference as the color of a bait that selling just one configuration of premium hooks is not going to make everyone happy at the price-point.

 

Basically, keep prices a little lower, and people can leave the mediocre hooks on, or change them at will.

Why not lower the prices even more by eliminating hooks altogether than...truly let the buyer pick their own hooks if that's what most people do anyway. make a $25 bait a $20 instead. I think this whole expensive bait thing that comes with crappy hooks is a complete sham but that's just my opinion, not trying to force it on someone. It's like if I paid $200,000 for a Ferrari I'd want premium everything on that ride, I wouldn't want to buy it and instead of Pirelli's all around it comes with General Altimax's on it and have them be like "oh, we know you would probably like better tires on this car but we didn't know which ones you wanted so we just threw on a garbage set to get you a few miles until you decide". Again, just my opinion and I wish the OP good luck in finding whatever hooks he desires so he can get back to catchin' some hawgs!!!

 

[deep]

Unless you're A-Jay, or Aaron Martens, or you want them to sink and/ or deaden the action, this is what you want:

 

http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Megabass_Katsuage_Out_Barb_Treble_Hooks_5pk/descpage-MBKOBH.html

 

Size 6 for both baits you indicated.

 

 

[NHBull]

On 6/12/2018 at 6:51 AM, deep said:

Unless you're A-Jay, or Aaron Martens, or you want them to sink and/ or deaden the action, this is what you want:

 

http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Megabass_Katsuage_Out_Barb_Treble_Hooks_5pk/descpage-MBKOBH.html

 

Size 6 for both baits you indicated.

 

 

Aaron went to the beefier version of these

http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Gamakatsu_Aaron_Martens_TGW_Nano_Finesse_Treble_Hook/descpage-NFH.html

[corn-on-the-rob]

8 hours ago, Brett's_daddy said:

Why not lower the prices even more by eliminating hooks altogether than...truly let the buyer pick their own hooks if that's what most people do anyway. make a $25 bait a $20 instead. I think this whole expensive bait thing that comes with crappy hooks is a complete sham but that's just my opinion, not trying to force it on someone. It's like if I paid $200,000 for a Ferrari I'd want premium everything on that ride, I wouldn't want to buy it and instead of Pirelli's all around it comes with General Altimax's on it and have them be like "oh, we know you would probably like better tires on this car but we didn't know which ones you wanted so we just threw on a garbage set to get you a few miles until you decide". Again, just my opinion and I wish the OP good luck in finding whatever hooks he desires so he can get back to catchin' some hawgs!!!

 

That's exactly what's happening. They are a $25 bait, and not a $30 dollar bait because those hooks don't cost them virtually anything.

 

But I agree, I'd rather have the complete package, and have it priced in accordingly.

[A-Jay]

On 6/12/2018 at 8:22 AM, NHBull said:

Aaron went to the beefier version of these

http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Gamakatsu_Aaron_Martens_TGW_Nano_Finesse_Treble_Hook/descpage-NFH.html

So did A-Jay ~ 

A-Jay

[nosdog2]

Big fan of Mustad UltraPoint here.  

[Brett's_daddy]

3 hours ago, corn-on-the-rob said:

That's exactly what's happening. They are a $25 bait, and not a $30 dollar bait because those hooks don't cost them virtually anything.

 

But I agree, I'd rather have the complete package, and have it priced in accordingly.

No jerk bait IMO is worth $25 (top water maybe since they are harder to lose)...especially if it comes with garbage hooks...come on, Megabass (and any other mfg. for that matter) should be able to package a premium lure WITH premium hooks for $25 or under and not put the burden on the customer who is already paying a premium price for the bait to turn around and put MORE money into the bait a few weeks later to replace the sub-par stock hooks. I understand replacing dull hooks that are worn from battle with many bass but to be inferior to start with should be unacceptable on any premium lure. Take 6th Sense for example, their baits have premium paint jobs, fish great AND come stock with really good hooks...if they can do it why can't Megabass and others? Look, I know this is one of those debate type topics that could circle around a million times without either side giving up so I'll just turn this back to the OP and wish him luck in finding his hooks!!!

[NHBull]

4 minutes ago, Brett's_daddy said:

No jerk bait IMO is worth $25 (top water maybe since they are harder to lose)...especially if it comes with garbage hooks...come on, Megabass (and any other mfg. for that matter) should be able to package a premium lure WITH premium hooks for $25 or under and not put the burden on the customer who is already paying a premium price for the bait to turn around and put MORE money into the bait a few weeks later to replace the sub-par stock hooks. I understand replacing dull hooks that are worn from battle with many bass but to be inferior to start with should be unacceptable on any premium lure. Take 6th Sense for example, their baits have premium paint jobs, fish great AND come stock with really good hooks...if they can do it why can't Megabass and others? Look, I know this is one of those debate type topics that could circle around a million times without either side giving up so I'll just turn this back to the OP and wish him luck in finding his hooks!!!

Perhaps you should start your own thread on this topic......It appears you have nothing to add on mine....

[Brett's_daddy]

1 hour ago, NHBull said:

Perhaps you should start your own thread on this topic......It appears you have nothing to add on mine....

I do apologize NHBull, this got a little out of hand...certainly more than I ever intended. That's why I said let's turn this back to your original topic and wished you luck in finding your hooks!

[Angry John]

I don't own but one mb jerkbait and it's a trick darter.  A hook that I seem to like is this.  http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Daiichi_Death_Trap_Round_Treble_Hook_5pk/descpage-DAIDTHK.html

The are lite wire and haven't caused me any major weight issues.  I expect that her baits are not going to be used with heavy line and the fish not horsed in.  If so these will not hold up to your expectations.

[38 Super Fan]

Size 6 Gamakatsu round bends most of the time, they're super sharp and don't weigh much. When I want a little more weight, I'll go with size 6 Mustad Ultra Points. They're not quite Gamakatsu sharp, but they're tougher, which is nice.

 

I did buy a few packs of the out barb Katsuage trebles (same as stock on the 110) to use for replacements, but I've really soured on those trebles. Broke one in half while unhooking a fish once...only treble I've ever seen that happen with. The out barbs are a little annoying to work with at times too.

[Dangerfield]

To the guy complaining about hooks on a premium bait I get it, the hooks MB puts on the 110 line are garbage but I've seen worse. Check out any crankbait lure from Evergreen, they have some of the worst quality hooks and they're just as expensive as MB/Jackall. But don't hijack dudes thread just to complain. There's 2 phrases that come to mind with buying expensive anything, 1) pay to play and 2) buyer beware. Do your homework first, this is like complaining about putting premium gas or sport tires on a sports car lol.

 

Duo Realis is one premium JDM company that I would say is almost on par with Megabass from a quality perspective. The reason I chose and will choose DR again is because they come with some of the stickiest, sharpest hooks I've seen on a bait. I just picked up 120sp and a 110sp for roughly $15-17 a piece, they ain't cheap but I get the fries and shake with my burger. Same quality hooks and split rings on the DR 110 pencil, M65 and M62 crankbaits.

 

To answer the OP, I always check the manufacturers site to see exact specs and match based on my budget.