RP Knott vs. Alberto Knot ?

[ChrisD46]

I saw Brent Ehrler tie the RP knot (braid main line to leader) however to me it looked very familiar to the Alberto Knot ... What am I missing ? ... Which do you prefer ?

[OkobojiEagle]

same knot, different name... welcome to the world wide web.

[WRB]

Royal Polaris knot or RP and Alberto knot are the same when using 5 turns/5 turns back.

Tom

Royal Polaris is a San Diego long range charter boat.

[ChrisD46]

19 hours ago, WRB said:

Royal Polaris knot or RP and Alberto knot are the same when using 5 turns/5 turns back.

Tom

Royal Polaris is a San Diego long range charter boat.

*Thanks Tom - figured there might be a west coast angle to it ...

Thanks for the replies - Brent used 9 braid wraps (SX-1 #12 lb. ) over his #8lb. Sunline FC leader.

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19 hours ago, OkobojiEagle said:

same knot, different name... welcome to the world wide web.

That knot went from Japan to the west coast, and then to Long Island. Don't know how it got to Japan. I've always known it as the modified Al knot bright...

[Backroad Angler]

Albright knot all the way!

[Dangerfield]

I've found no matter how I tie this knot by the end of the weekend I need to retie. It takes a beating going through the guides and line guide. It's stronger than a double uni for sure, I might have to buckle down and learn the FG.

[LxVE Bassin]

9 hours ago, Dangerfield said:

I've found no matter how I tie this knot by the end of the weekend I need to retie. It takes a beating going through the guides and line guide. It's stronger than a double uni for sure, I might have to buckle down and learn the FG.

I have zero issues with the knot. Try to cut the tag ends as close as possible. 

[FishDewd]

9 hours ago, Dangerfield said:

I've found no matter how I tie this knot by the end of the weekend I need to retie. It takes a beating going through the guides and line guide. It's stronger than a double uni for sure, I might have to buckle down and learn the FG.

Easiest way I have found to do the Fg is by securing the Braid mainline to my big toe and second toe like I am securing a boat to a dock... same sort of style anyway. Tighten drag, and reel in until the line is pretty taut. Do not cut off your cirulation! If it hurts, it's too tight! I find it easier to secure the mono/fc/copolymer to either my other toes or maybe a heavy weight. for tension. Be sure you easily untie it! Don't use knots. Take that polymer line and lay it over the braid line. Do the wrap as such: under towards the pole, below away from the pole,  until you reach 22  . 22 should end towards the pole. Pull each wrap firmly into your index finger and thumb of left hand (if you're a righty). Hold it snugly after 22, unlatch the braid from your toes. Using the braid tag end, make a half hitch around both braid and polymer going towards the pole. Over and through, under and through. At this point, wet knot and pull mainline and leader very tight to test the knot and to tighten the wraps. Repeat half hitches 8 more times. Cut the polymer tag end off close. Do a few more passes until the polymer is sealed in there. Finish with a three wrap half hitch called a "rizzuto" finish. Be careful the wraps seat properly. And done! Cut braid tag end, tie on a hook and lure, and go fishing~

 

You'll have to learn your own style, but that's the best way for me to do it I have figured out...

[Dangerfield]

9 hours ago, LxVE Bassin said:

I have zero issues with the knot. Try to cut the tag ends as close as possible. 

I'm going to give that a shot, I'm almost out of leader material and when I'm done I may just run straight fluoro or mono.

8 hours ago, FishDewd said:

Easiest way I have found to do the Fg is by securing the Braid mainline to my big toe and second toe like I am securing a boat to a dock... same sort of style anyway. Tighten drag, and reel in until the line is pretty taut. Do not cut off your cirulation! If it hurts, it's too tight! I find it easier to secure the mono/fc/copolymer to either my other toes or maybe a heavy weight. for tension. Be sure you easily untie it! Don't use knots. Take that polymer line and lay it over the braid line. Do the wrap as such: under towards the pole, below away from the pole,  until you reach 22  . 22 should end towards the pole. Pull each wrap firmly into your index finger and thumb of left hand (if you're a righty). Hold it snugly after 22, unlatch the braid from your toes. Using the braid tag end, make a half hitch around both braid and polymer going towards the pole. Over and through, under and through. At this point, wet knot and pull mainline and leader very tight to test the knot and to tighten the wraps. Repeat half hitches 8 more times. Cut the polymer tag end off close. Do a few more passes until the polymer is sealed in there. Finish with a three wrap half hitch called a "rizzuto" finish. Be careful the wraps seat properly. And done! Cut braid tag end, tie on a hook and lure, and go fishing~

 

You'll have to learn your own style, but that's the best way for me to do it I have figured out...

I'm going to test this tonight and report back how it worked. If it's a PITA, I'm running straight. They're coining me Johnny Knotsville, cause they all run straight braid.

[FishDewd]

Sometimes I do straight braid. I got lazy one day after the bite was tough and I kept changing lures on a short leader until I ran out of leader. Tied a squarebill on with straight braid. Third cast, caught a bass haha.

 

I'm not gonna lie, the FG knot is tedious. I don't consider it difficult anymore, but the tension involved with it makes it difficult the first few times. Diameter of the line also matters a lot, as does the type of braid used. I use an alberto more often unless I know I will be in a snaggy area where I will likely lose a lot of rigs. Retying leaders multiple times can become a pain when fishing. I usually keep one pole with an FG knot, and the other with an alberto.

[Dangerfield]

I read a couple of old thread (2014 & 2017), which I chose not to bring back from the grave but I might give cranking with braid the green light with the drag set around 50%. I've gotten used to what a rock, a branch and grass feel like when a crank deflects off cover, excluding the Duo Realis G87 which has a unique feeling of it's own. I've lost more lures this year due to knot or line failures (braid side of the know and fluoro side of the knot and knots in general). It's getting frustrating to say the least. But common sense keeps telling me to find a good fluoro and run it straight on this set up. I love how FC Sniper knots and it's super strong, I may go upto 14-15lb lose some depth but feel more confident in the overall set up.

 

Thoughts?

[FishDewd]

I hardly use fluoro anymore... usually I am running either mono or copolymer. There isn't enough difference in buoyancy imo. But I do like mono for mid-depth and surface lures cause that bit of extra stretch can be handy with my fast action rods.

 

Btw, I tied this FG a little quickly so it's a bit sloppy but it's still really small, strong, and will work perfectly fine:

[Cgolf]

46 minutes ago, FishDewd said:

I hardly use fluoro anymore... usually I am running either mono or copolymer. There isn't enough difference in buoyancy imo. But I do like mono for mid-depth and surface lures cause that bit of extra stretch can be handy with my fast action rods.

 

Btw, I tied this FG a little quickly so it's a bit sloppy but it's still really small, strong, and will work perfectly fine:

I hit the tag end with a bit of loctite gel glue and it seems flexible. I am not a fan of the half hitches staying locked down with lots of use. Really like the knot, not to hard to tie.

[FishDewd]

I singed the tag end on that picture cause I messed up on a couple of the hitches. Lost track of whether I was going to the back or the front lol. I like to alternate, hitch to back, hitch to front, etc. The rizzuto finish helps to hold them in place better.

[Yumeya]

FG knot, but if I'm in a hurry then I will use a alberto which is not very often.

 

As for the tag end, I burn the excess braid with a bic.

[ChrisD46]

*Watching saltwater big game fish guys tie a Bimini twist or securing wire leaders makes me complain less regarding any freshwater knot I may tie !