Question...Which normal priced setup casts farther ? Spin or bait ?

[Junger]

4 hours ago, bigfruits said:

make sure you are laying the line near the tip of your index finger and not in the crease where the joint is.

Yeah even doing it that way, over a day of casting braid my finger will hurt. 

[mattkenzer]

For me ..... Spinning.

[Darren.]

This is a subjective question...as so many have stated, it

depends. Line, lure weight, etc. I'm not sure what "normal

priced setup" really means, either. $50-100? $100-200?

 

I have spooled one of my Stradic 1000 FI reels. The arbor

knot saved the day  . Have come close to spooling my 

"super-tuned" Chronarch 50e, as well. Both when casting 

heavier lures. Probably easier to do with my setups since

they're smaller and hold less line than a 2500 or 200.

[Boomstick]

First, what size weight and lure are we talking? If we're talking about light lures like 1/4oz and under, spinning is going to win by a mile. So for the sake argument I am going to assume we are talking about 1/2oz lures.

 

So that said, I am going to probably have to go with the baitcaster. As far as price is concerned price is a non factor because I bought my oldest son an Abu Garcia Black Max to learn on which retails for $50 and can be had for $30 and I can cast as far on this reel as any of our more expensive reels. The difference is largely that the more expensive reels have far fewer issues with backlashing as they have much better braking systems.

 

That said, I do a lot more casting on a casting reel, so I'm better practiced which may affect the result.

[FishDewd]

For me, I learned on spinning gear and I can definitely cast it farther than a casting reel. Anytime I try to bomb a casting reel, it birdnests. So if I am needing to hurl out beyond what I consider to be a comfortable casting reel distance... I'll pick up a spinning reel. I am tend to be more accurate with a spinning reel because I can actually overhand cast it. I can't overhand cast a baitcaster for beans.

[cyclops2]

Many thank you everyone.  ?  You have saved me a bunch of money starting  up on casting gear at 81.  I do lots of trolling with  10# braid & small floating Rapalas  weighted down with split shot. My eye sight is failing rapidly. 

So I am buying some 9 strand braid 6# & 1" Raps for perch. I just can not be a trolling driver catching bigger fish. Too boring.  

 

 Thanks everyone.  ?

[Hammer 4]

If your by the ocean, take a look at what the surf fishing guy use..all spinning gear, as they want/ need to cast as far as possible most times. This would apply to the die hard surf fisherman..

[Deleted account]

Wow, there is a lot of misconception about this. 

Bait casting DOES NOT cast larger lures further (or is it farther) than spinning.

Spinning DOES cast smaller baits farther than bait casting.

Optimizing all variables to each, spinning wins by a bunch.

 

Do not disagree unless you are willing to show up with a BC and some $$$.

 

[cyclops2]

My first reels were Bait. I got used to smelling cooked bacon fumes from my thumbing finger.

 

[Shimano_1]

Too many variables.  Both are capable of bombing casts. Rod action and line as well as lure weight etc. All will factor in. 

[GreenPig]

Zebco 202 will sling it all. Spool it with 50 lb dacron that has been stretched to 1.76 times it's original length  1) to thin it and 2) to semi fuse it. Just pick the appropriate rod for the lures weight. You'll be covered from shiners to sharks.

[Derek1]

I think if you had equal rods and the same line capacity on each real. All things as equal as you could get and took a 1/2 ounce lipless. I think the spinning would win. 

[A-Jay]

 All things considered, it may all depend on the gear and human manning it.

Presenting Mr Danny Moeskops . . .

The man has skills, but I certainly don't want to be in a bass boat with him - Yikes !

?

A-Jay

 

[Hulkster]

On 7/22/2019 at 8:10 PM, Hammer 4 said:

If your by the ocean, take a look at what the surf fishing guy use..all spinning gear, as they want/ need to cast as far as possible most times. This would apply to the die hard surf fisherman..

true  but how much of this is because a lot of people are scared of baitcasters? i would rather throw baitcasting over spinning any day of the week but its because like most on here i have become very good at it. a lot of folks go their whole lives and never take the time to learn. 

[MN Fisher]

 

3 minutes ago, Hulkster said:

true  but how much of this is because a lot of people are scared of baitcasters? i would rather throw baitcasting over spinning any day of the week but its because like most on here i have become very good at it. a lot of folks go their whole lives and never take the time to learn. 

Given my experiences with both BC and Spinner rigs, I'd have to say - either.

 

True I don't try to achieve orbit with my casts, 90%+ of all my tosses are side-arm lobs. And the casting distance with either is close enough to the same to make no difference. It's all about the right line on the reel, and with BCs - making sure your tension and brakes are set properly for the lure you're using.

[Deleted account]

9 hours ago, Hulkster said:

true  but how much of this is because a lot of people are scared of baitcasters? 

You won't see BCs in the surf for 2 reasons, one, they don't hold enough line, and two, they won't hold up to the abuse. Back when mono was the line of choice, I carried both conventional and spinning setups in the surf. With braid, spinning is just abetter choice all around.

[cyclops2]

Just to add some more conditions. In 1947 I had backlashes galore. almost every cast. With no other experienced people to help me. Strictly bushing bearings. Silk lines. So yes bait casters were always being cut free of tangles. 

Today I take kids out with many of my old Mitchel 300 Spin reels & they are casting far enough to catch perch from docks or my smaller fish boat.

easy is spinning

medium is bait casting

difficult is fly casting 

for a beginner starting on their own.

I cooked LOTS more thumb bacon when doing long surf casts.

[king fisher]

As others have said it depends on many variables.  In most situations, I can cast both equally as far.  If my only concern is distance I can cast a spinning rod further by using a very long rod matched perfectly to the weight of the lure I will be using.  A bait caster spool can only spin so fast.  There is a limit to how much line can come off the spool.  Using a longer rod or heavier lure will only makes the spool reach this limit with less effort.    Weather you rely on braking systems or your thumb, the  spool will need to be slowed at some time or else a  backlash will occur.  Putting more force in to a cast with a bait caster does not necessarily give me more distance.  Many times I have to remind myself to back off on the muscle when trying to get distance with my bait casters.  I use a 9'6" casting rod designed for steelhead for deep cranks where distance is very important to me.  I do get a few extra yards (not as much as I had expected) with the longer rod, but have to be careful not throw to hard. ( Starting the cast slow and using my whole body helps).  I do not have the same problem with spinning gear.The longer the rod, thinner the line, the harder I cast, the further the lure will go.  This has been my experience.  I'm sure there are people who can cast further with a bait caster, I'm just not one of them.

[Fishes in trees]

I find it hard to care about this topic.   I own several good to great bait casting rigs and spinning rigs.  It hasn't occurred to me to know the exact distance that I can throw each one of them.  When I'm practicing casting - in the yard next to my fishing shed - I'm pretty much aware I'm not going to get bit.

 

Out in the boat, while I'm fishing, occasionally I throw short of where I want to throw.  I chalk this up to environmental conditions (mostly wind) and operator error.  For example - my Frog rig.  The floating plastic frogs that I throw weigh half an ounce, more or less, within a couple of grams.   In the yard next to my fishing shed I can throw roughly half the spool. (Calcutta 250 TEGT & 65 lb braid), using a half ounce practice plug.   Out on the water, throwing the half ounce frog, throwing out half the spool doesn't ever happen - even when I'm trying to - with the wind at my back.  Classic case of "go figure".    Similar issues with my A-Rig set up.  7'9" Fenwick AETOS - Curado 300 - 20 lb Seige mono - I get great distance throwing a 2 ounce practice plug.   Throwing an A-Rig which weighs in the 3 to 4 ounce range, out on the the water I get less distance - not quite sure how much less, but less for sure.  Probably some areodynamic issues at play here.   Anyway, I've quit worrying about this half a decade or so ago.

 

 

[Deleted account]

21 minutes ago, king fisher said:

A bait caster spool can only spin so fast. 

True statement, but that speed is much greater than that found under casting conditions. The limiting factor is going to be the initial force applied to it during the cast. Now if the spool's deceleration matches or better yet, is ever so slightly less than that of the casted object, then that, combined with trajectory will result in the longest cast.

[king fisher]

Just now, BassWhole! said:

True statement, but that speed is much greater than that found under casting conditions. The limiting factor is going to be the initial force applied to it during the cast. Now if the spool's deceleration matches or better yet, is ever so slightly less than that of the casted object, then that, combined with trajectory will result in the longest cast.

This is true. I should have said there is a limit to how fast the line can come off the spool compared to how fast the spool is spinning. My point was some breaking must be applied during the cast which limits how far the lure goes.  The faster the lure leaves the rod tip the more break is needed.  Weather it is the reels built in break mechanisms, or your thumb.  A very hard cast with a long rod will  require more breaking during the cast.  I can throw twice as hard and only get a few feet more in distance because of having to thumb the reel twice as much.  Throw twice as hard with a spinning reel and the distance gain is significant.  Obviously the less mechanical break is used, and the better a person is with a thumb, the further the lure will go.  I'm sure there are very skilled casters that can cast much further than I can.

[JustJames]

I’m not sure which cast further, but I do know for sure I cast up on to a tree more often on spinning gear.

[craww]

In real world on the water scenarios, using rods that are typically appropriate for presenting the given lure- I've never come remotely close to achieving  those "wow" distance casts w/bass fishing sized spinning reels as I can w/a properly tuned baitcaster. Even  aided w/a 6/15 braid, I cant get a 2500 Spinning reel to match a properly lubed 200E7 and 12lb Hybrid throwing a sammy 100 or 5/8 Rattlin Vibe. The baitcaster eats its lunch and pops the bag on those types of lures that carry.

 

As mentioned line slap is a problematic on spinning rods,  but its also important to note when we're talking "bass sized" spinners- that the deeper into a spool you go  (ie at the end of longer cast) that the line comes off the spool at a sharper angle to the lip designed to restrict ot contain it. Pflueger was on to something w/the arbor...I used to fish 6740 presidents back in the day before knowing it was overkill for bass. That said a 40 series spinner absolutely casts better than a 25 or 30 for raw distance on baits that are aerodynamic. 

 

 

[puddlepuncher]

10 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

I’m not sure which cast further, but I do know for sure I cast up on to a tree more often on spinning gear.

 

Ha I'm right with you on this one.  Few years ago I finally broke down and bought new baitcasters to replace my round reels.  Took them out to the backyard and casted a 1/2oz weight and was amazed at the distance.  I was nearly reaching the edge of my lawn about 50 yards.  After a few casts I grabbed the old Ugly stick combo with the Shakespeare reel I picked up on clearance ten years ago.  First cast was in the trees well beyond the bait casters.  

[cyclops2]

Remember the energy to get the spinning line started up to maximum run out speed is way less with no braking at any time  than the starting / running friction of a bait casting reel with magnetic  / friction brakes.  Laws of energy usage rule . My 4# test cast those chunky 1.5" Balsa Rapalas a good distance.