Would you be annoyed or am I a jerk?

[Ksam1234]

3 hours ago, the reel ess said:

Do you ever notice that when people ask you a fishing question, you answer with so much detail and qualifying information that their eyes glass over and they change the subject to sports? You're that guy and he's a casual angler. I'm that guy too. Toss him a T rigged Trick Worm and tell him to throw at every piece of cover. Color doesn't matter usually. Sometimes he'll outfish you. 

 

My buddy has 1 rod that I rig for him when we go. That's the only bait he uses and he usually catches enough to stay interested. If you want to still hang out with him just tell him what you think will work. If not, push him out of the boat. LOL

Skips every other leg day. But to give you an idea of how dedicated I am, I quit the gym because it was taking up too much fishing time.

Yeah that’s funny bc he does workout to but only goes few times a week hahha and I rigged him up a weightless senko and he threw that around and got a few

1 hour ago, Columbia Craw said:

You are not a jerk, period.  He is not stupid.  You are motivated to learn and committed to put in the time, effort and expense, he is not or at least not yet. There is a big difference in fishing buddies going out together and a fisherman who goes out with a friend.  With bass fishing the disparity is even greater because the skill levels required to cast and feel a strike are not like cat fishing or perch fishing.  If he has any interest at all, you can choose to be a mentor and help him get up to speed so he's at least proficient. End your outing with a question for your friend.  " What could we have done different today to catch em" ?  If he doesn't have a response, redefine what activities you choose to share with him.  Finally, you're not a jerk.

Thanks for saying I’m not ha. We always do have fun and laugh and joke threwout the day.  It’s relaxing no matter what but I enjoy watching others catch fish.  I love going with my fiancé bc that’s the only time where 99% of me would rather watch her catch fish than myself .. but of course I have to wet a line here and there ha

[the reel ess]

1 hour ago, soflabasser said:

Fishing can be a decent form of cardiovascular exercise if you are walking a lot during the day or kayaking for several hours. For some reason plenty of guys train upper body 5 days a week and don't train lower body, which explains why many guys have a big upper body and no legs. Plenty of guys in my gym are on steroids ( they openly discuss cycles) and think they are in great shape but can't even run a simple 10K run, or swim for 2 hours in the open sea. In fact many of them are quite weak for their size and get outlifted by natural athletes that weigh 30-60 pounds less than they do. You will be better off going to a park 3-5 times a week and focus on calisthenics/cardiovascular fitness than lifting weights like a bodybuilder who neglects his cardiovascular health and is in terrible cardiovascular health.

 

I agree. Many of them die young because they're more concerned with looks than health. I know one whose liver quit on him at 30 and he was dead in a few days.

[soflabasser]

14 minutes ago, the reel ess said:

I agree. Many of them die young because they're more concerned with looks than health. I know one whose liver quit on him at 30 and he was dead in a few days.

Steroid abusers think that having big muscles means they are in excellent health but they don't understand that big muscles is not a sign of being in good health or being in functionally good shape! Last year a couple of well known steroid abusers died a early death that was contributed to drug abuse, their fans where surprised but anyone with any medical knowledge is not surprised. The body can only handle so many drugs and abuse before it starts to give up. Cardiovascular health is #1 when it comes to fitness and I will gladly give up a big portion of my muscle size and strength if it means I will be in good cardiovascular health when I am a old man. Besides I rather be +80 years old and still be able to walk for several hours and fish, that to me is far more valuable.

32 minutes ago, Ksam1234 said:

Yeah that’s funny bc he does workout to but only goes few times a week hahha and I rigged him up a weightless senko and he threw that around and got a few

Thanks for saying I’m not ha. We always do have fun and laugh and joke threwout the day.  It’s relaxing no matter what but I enjoy watching others catch fish.  I love going with my fiancé bc that’s the only time where 99% of me would rather watch her catch fish than myself .. but of course I have to wet a line here and there ha

That's what matters to have fun with your close friends and loved ones. Catching fish is extra.

[bassguytom]

I don’t mind when I’m asked the same things over and over. I always tell my friends that do that I’m going to get you started but you need to go from there. I let them know a good tip is to watch what I am doing and try to duplicate it if I am catching fish. 

[Yakalong]

every time he ask a question tell him to grab you a beer 

[toni63]

Interesting topic, I just read all the previous responses to see what others had to say.

 

I think I might let him know that if he continues to blast away, all speed and no control, the days of going fishing together may need to come to a close. Either you are going to listen and learn or I am just not coming out here as it really ruins my day of fishing when you act like this all day and refuse to listen and then get mad that you don't catch fish.

 

I like hanging out with you and yes, we are friends, but as your friend I think we should find some other activity to do together because you just don't seem to enjoy this.

 

I reread your initial post a couple times and it seems you have done all you can and if this is really ruining your enjoyment of fishing, maybe he just needs to go his own way and you go yours when it comes to fishing.

 

 

 

[RPreeb]

18 hours ago, Catt said:

@FishDewd I have a close friend that goes out with me 4-5 times a year & has for the last 30 years. After he parks his boat he seldom if ever thinks about fishing. Every trip out it's the same routine with a few advancements in technology. He loves perch jerking, I love bass fishing, so we combine the two.

 

It aint about the number of fish we catch, it's about the fellowship shared!

This is how I look at it.  When I've been fishing with a friend, I'm usually the one who is fumbling around blind, but I don't ask for help except in a very general sense.  I'll ask him what he thinks I might need to have along for the trip, I'll buy it if necessary, but after that it's just friends being together.  If he suggests something, I'll try it, but if he doesn't, no big deal.  Really not much different from when we are playing golf.  Whatever activity is involved, just friends enjoying each other's company was more important than how many fish were caught or how many strokes one had on the last hole.

[BassNJake]

On 5/13/2018 at 7:54 PM, Ksam1234 said:

So I’m wondering if I’m a jerk or just think old school and people should take it upon themselves eventually to learn. Wondering everyone’s opinion of this, so I have a friend who we both started fishing at the same time. We have been bass fishing for about 2 1/2 years now. I did tons of research, bought books, joined this awesome site, YouTube and just spent tons and tons of time on the water to learn as

much as I can. So we go fishing together and every time we go he is the exact same as day 1 fishing 2 1/2 years ago.. he asks what to use, what color, what do you think they want, why am I not catching them. Will tie on 5 baits in 30 minutes and if he doesn’t get a fish he gets mad. I have given him books , told him about this sight and have told him every time we go out about fish. Like today it was dead flat, post front and he was trying to rip as fast as he can lipless cranks etc. told him to try a black and blue senko and let it sit , i told and showed him how to rig them .. instead he uses a different hook and threads it on like it was live bait all bunched up and tosses it out waits 2 seconds then starts hopping it back ... and wonders why he doesn’t catch fish. I have shown him about as much as I can and every time we go on the water it’s the same so I was going to tell him to learn so he can get better himself, is that mean ?

This is why I fish alone.

 

I use this time to reflect on myself and what improvements I can make both on or off the water

It allows me to concentrate and focus at whatever I might be trying to accomplish that particular trip

I dont have to worry about front ending someone or putting them on fish

[Ratherbfishing]

The question IS, in my opinion:  Do you enjoy his company?  Not everyone has the same interests, desires, aptitudes and your friend is different than you are.  So....you can accept him as he is or you can continue to let it bug you.  It pretty much comes down to that.  Going back to my first sentence/question-if you enjoy his company, just chill (and, occasionally, roll your eyes).  If you don't enjoy his company (while fishing), confine your time spent with him to when you do enjoy it.

 

If you feel comfortable with doing so, just be direct with him (in a nice way).  In the moment, ask him WHY, when he asks your advice, he doesn't take it.  He may never have the same aptitudes/abilities as you but you can shape him (a little).

[Ksam1234]

7 hours ago, Ratherbfishing said:

The question IS, in my opinion:  Do you enjoy his company?  Not everyone has the same interests, desires, aptitudes and your friend is different than you are.  So....you can accept him as he is or you can continue to let it bug you.  It pretty much comes down to that.  Going back to my first sentence/question-if you enjoy his company, just chill (and, occasionally, roll your eyes).  If you don't enjoy his company (while fishing), confine your time spent with him to when you do enjoy it.

 

If you feel comfortable with doing so, just be direct with him (in a nice way).  In the moment, ask him WHY, when he asks your advice, he doesn't take it.  He may never have the same aptitudes/abilities as you but you can shape him (a little).

Yeah I’m going to stick with it bc he is s good friend and we always have a good laugh.  Just want him to enjoy it like I do I guess but not everyone is into fishing that much.  Was talking todsy about some baits etc and he got excited so I know he enjoys it.  Sometimes people take little more Time. If I wanna go and catch fish I’ll go alone but if I wanna just enjoy the day I’ll bring friend. I use the time on the water to reflect a lot also. On troubles of the real life and fishing helps bring those into focus

[rtwvumtneer6]

I'm also in that category, and I still consider myself to be a beginner. I think it has to do with the excitement when I put the time in to learn a new approach or technique and I want to share it (with certain people lol). For the most part, I've learned most of what I know from the internet, and time on the water. I have one friend who fishes competitively and I'm grateful for every chance I have to get on the water with him.  I'd be happy to ride along and watch him fish and I'd never have to pick up a rod. 

 

Flip side of that, I value the guy who uses the same spinning rig for all species and owns one pack of soft plastics, and some 3/0 ewgs.  It reminds me to not over-complicate things... Which I am very good at doing!

[geo g]

Do you like this guy?  If the answer is yes, then let him do whatever he wants.  If you are out fishing him, he will make adjustments on his own, without any help from you.  Obviously he likes doing what he doing every trip.  Just let him figure it out himself.  If the answer to the original question is no, stop taking him fishing, and take someone else!