Can’t seem to cast shad rap #5

[burrows]

2 hours ago, reason said:

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8 minutes ago, Burros said:

 

"ACTING!, Thank You!"    (or Mandela effect)....

[Sharkicane]

Thanks for all the advice guys I appreciate it. I think for now I am just going to pick up probably an abu spinning reel something in the $50 dollar range(probably a pro max 20). Ive got a 2pc spinning rod that I used to use for salt water (till i discovered it was not a salt water rod lol) It is 7ft Medium action with a Fast tip. Should do the job for now. Ill probably end up going with 8 lb mono like pline or something. Once I am not such a noobie at catching bass I will upgrade my spinning rod/reel and line. 

[Sharkicane]

On 5/9/2018 at 3:16 AM, Bluebasser86 said:

I fish a #5 shad rap a lot during the winter with a 6' 8" M/F spinning rod, a 25 size President and 8lb mono. 

I went ahead and took the general consensus advice. I ended up with a president 25 w/ 8# seaguar red label flouro. Exactly how far should I be able to cast this #5 shad rap? I was kinda disappointed I could only get it out there like 20-25 yards. Idk if it’s me or maybe my rod is too stiff or what. Its labeled as M/F. 

 

Later the wind picked up and I just switched to something else I’m going to guess you can cast this thing with wind no matter that rod you use? 

[burrows]

Maybe try spooling up with a more limber line standard seagar red lable is kinda stiff? Mono would work better?

[OkobojiEagle]

I mentioned above the X-Rap Shad is a better casting, similar sized/shaped bait.  It suspends and rattles making it somewhat different than the balsa Shad Rap.  Scrape off the feathered rear treble and retrieve it with a slow steady cadence.

 

oe

[Sharkicane]

45 minutes ago, Burros said:

Maybe try spooling up with a more limber line standard seagar red lable is kinda stiff? Mono would work better?

Ive got some trilene xl smooth casting 12# mono would that work or is that to heavy of a line?

2 minutes ago, OkobojiEagle said:

I mentioned above the X-Rap Shad is a better casting, similar sized/shaped bait.  It suspends and rattles making it somewhat different than the balsa Shad Rap.  Scrape off the feathered rear treble and retrieve it with a slow steady cadence.

 

oe

I will order one. I plan on ordering several once I figure out which ones I want/need lol. There are a million to choose from. 

[scaleface]

If your wanting to use a nice casting , light weight balsa crankbait with a tight action look at the Rapala Fat Rap .

[burrows]

27 minutes ago, Sharkicane said:

Ive got some trilene xl smooth casting 12# mono would that work or is that to heavy of a line?

I will order one. I plan on ordering several once I figure out which ones I want/need lol. There are a million to choose from. 

Try using the #7 ‘it’s Easier to cast I’ve  caught  Way more bass on the 7 then the 5 ? 12pound mono and 8 pound floro probably won’t see much a difference in casting distance. X rap is also a good option.

[Drew03cmc]

On 5/9/2018 at 11:43 AM, fishballer06 said:

I agree. Small shad raps cast better on a spinning setup. But I love using a slower gear ratio casting reel as opposed to a spinning reel which has a higher gear ratio.

 

I don't see this as viable. Most spinning reels, at most, are 6:1. I own ONE baitcaster with a sub 6:1 speed. Most are 7+. Ergo, most spinning reels are considerably slower than most casting reels. The casting reels that would be slower are either old or designed as cranking reels, intended for long casts, large line capacities and deep running, water resistant baits. 

On 5/9/2018 at 11:43 AM, fishballer06 said:

 

On 5/9/2018 at 11:43 AM, fishballer06 said:

 

[J Francho]

1 hour ago, Drew03cmc said:

I don't see this as viable. Most spinning reels, at most, are 6:1. I own ONE baitcaster with a sub 6:1 speed. Most are 7+. Ergo, most spinning reels are considerably slower than most casting reels. The casting reels that would be slower are either old or designed as cranking reels, intended for long casts, large line capacities and deep running, water resistant baits. 

My 6:1 Stradic CI4 2500 takes up 35" of per turn, or MORE than your typical 7:1 baitcaster.   Some larger spool spinning reels can take 40+" per turn.  It's all IPT, not ratio.

[JustJames]

5 hours ago, Burros said:

Try using the #7 ‘it’s Easier to cast I’ve  caught  Way more bass on the 7 then the 5 ? 12pound mono and 8 pound floro probably won’t see much a difference in casting distance. X rap is also a good option.

I came to post this as well. I think it easier to use a heavier type lures than changing all your gears. Don't get stuck like me to buy a lot of gears for every lure I have. I know I'm a sucker but I like buying more gear as much as I like fishing.LOL

 

I told myself from now on I won't buy any lure that lighter than 3/16. It is a pain to cast 1/8oz lure and if it got a little bit of wind then forget it. 

[Sharkicane]

7 minutes ago, JustJames said:

I came to post this as well. I think it easier to use a heavier type lures than changing all your gears. Don't get stuck like me to buy a lot of gears for every lure I have. I know I'm a sucker but I like buying more gear as much as I like fishing.LOL

 

I told myself from now on I won't buy any lure that lighter than 3/16. It is a pain to cast 1/8oz lure and if it got a little bit of wind then forget it. 

I was also thinking would going up on one of the hook sizes on the #5 work? I am probably still going to get a #7 but I’d like to somehow make the #5 work still. 

[JustJames]

You might try to change your line, your president 25 and M/F rod should work with 1/4oz lure. What is rod lure rated anyway.

The 25 series is pretty small reel, equivalent to 1000 size reel from Shimano. You could try reg 6lb mono or #4 hybrid, better yet switch to 10-15lb braid line with leader or not.

But you know what 20-25yds that is pretty good for 3/16 oz lure with bulky shape like Shad rap. I can only cast my Husky jerk maybe in the same distance as your. You don't really expect to bomb cast and get 40-50 yds with this type of lure. Try 1/4 lipless and you will be surprised how far you can cast.

[Sharkicane]

7 minutes ago, JustJames said:

You might try to change your line, your president 25 and M/F rod should work with 1/4oz lure. What is rod lure rated anyway.

The 25 series is pretty small reel, equivalent to 1000 size reel from Shimano. You could try reg 6lb mono or #4 hybrid, better yet switch to 10-15lb braid line with leader or not.

But you know what 20-25yds that is pretty good for 3/16 oz lure with bulky shape like Shad rap. I can only cast my Husky jerk maybe in the same distance as your. You don't really expect to bomb cast and get 40-50 yds with this type of lure. Try 1/4 lipless and you will be surprised how far you can cast.

It’s rated for a 1/8 to 1/2 oz. idk I guess I was just expecting it to be a smooth cast and be able to get it out there a ways. Instead it kinda casts and then mid flight just kinda loses momentum and wobbles down. I can’t even really feel the wobble of the lure till it gets pretty close to me. I’ve never fished anything this light before so maybe my expectations arnt realistic.  

[Sharkicane]

I’ve been reading up on the upsizing the hooks it seems upping the front one to a #4 helps with casting but also makes it neutral bouyant and rise slow. Is this something that is good in all conditions or just in the context of winter conditions like I was reading about? 

 

Apprently this is something that’s done on most of the shad raps not just the #5

[Drew03cmc]

7 hours ago, J Francho said:

My 6:1 Stradic CI4 2500 takes up 35" of per turn, or MORE than your typical 7:1 baitcaster.   Some larger spool spinning reels can take 40+" per turn.  It's all IPT, not ratio.

True, spool size factors in. 

[Bluebasser86]

On 5/11/2018 at 6:38 AM, Sharkicane said:

I went ahead and took the general consensus advice. I ended up with a president 25 w/ 8# seaguar red label flouro. Exactly how far should I be able to cast this #5 shad rap? I was kinda disappointed I could only get it out there like 20-25 yards. Idk if it’s me or maybe my rod is too stiff or what. Its labeled as M/F. 

 

Later the wind picked up and I just switched to something else I’m going to guess you can cast this thing with wind no matter that rod you use? 

Why do you need to cast longer that 20 yards? I'd bet most of my cast with a shad rap are 10 yards or less, just casting to targets and cranking it really slowly. 

 

If you want a little bait you can launch, check out the Duo Realis Shad 62DR. It has a magnetic weight transfer system that shifts to the back of the bait on the cast that makes for crazy long cast with a tiny bait (or in my cast more accurate cast in howling Kansas winter winds). They're not cheap for this kind of bait, but worth it imo. The Storm Smash Shad is another good one in this style bait that cast a little better because it's a heavier plastic bait.

http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Duo_Realis_Shad_62DR_Crankbait/descpage-DUO62DR.html

[Sharkicane]

@Bluebasser86 to be honest I don't know much about crank baits so from what I have read and heard about crank baits is that you have to get them far out there so they have time to dive down and stay at that depth. That is where my conclusion came from that I need to get it way out there. I should probably research and study the shad rap a little more and get an idea of how to properly use it. 

 

The fish at this little lake I fish at I am desperately trying to get a reaction type bite from. I've got them on Texas rigged flukes and brush hogs but that's about it. I was hoping the shad rap would do the trick. 

 

Also, I will look at adding the baits you suggested might not be a bad idea to have something like that when the wind picks up or something. 

 

 

[Bdnoble84]

I understand the OP’s desire to throw it on a baitcaster. I also understand the people that say a spinning rod is much easier for this light of a lure, they are correct in that. If he wants to throw it on a baitcater though, it is possible. Really it comes down to his rod action and line choice. As has been stated previously, he needs to use a lighter action rod that loads better and is rated for the weight of lure he wants to use. He also needs to down size his line to something more manageable like a good braid or mono in 8-12 lb test. Personally even if u could cast that lure on 15lb ccx, the stiffness and diameter would kill the action/ maximum depth that bait would run.

[Sharkicane]

7 minutes ago, Bdnoble84 said:

I understand the OP’s desire to throw it on a baitcaster. I also understand the people that say a spinning rod is much easier for this light of a lure, they are correct in that. If he wants to throw it on a baitcater though, it is possible. Really it comes down to his rod action and line choice. As has been stated previously, he needs to use a lighter action rod that loads better and is rated for the weight of lure he wants to use. He also needs to down size his line to something more manageable like a good braid or mono in 8-12 lb test. Personally even if u could cast that lure on 15lb ccx, the stiffness and diameter would kill the action/ maximum depth that bait would run.

Appreciate the feedback I really didnt know much about the ccx when I got it(except it was buy 1 get 1 free and I was alright with that lol). I honestly may be switching out the CXX to just some simple 12 or 15lb mono. I am not confident enough yet in casting to throw flouro or braid on there just yet. Also, Ive only got the one rod so I use for top water all the way to carolina rigging. 

[Bdnoble84]

Ccx is a decent line. I use it and havent had issues with it. I would suggest getting berkley trilene xl in 12lb test. I know its pretty generic stuff, but since you aren’t that comfortable in your skill level yet, this line handles nicely in my experience. 12lb is a good multi tactic poundage. You are going to be limited in abrasion resistance and you stand a chance of breaking something off in cover, but as you get more experienced you will start to figure out what you need for the style you like to fish and can buy equipment accordingly. Not everyone has the budget or desire to own equipment for every technique. My grandpa was the best fisherman i’ve ever known and all he ever fished with were zebco 33’s and old 6’fiberglass rods. He’s probably rolling over in his grave with some of the money ive spent on this obsession, lol. If you dont have a spinning rod currently, i would suggest picking one up in med power/ fast action as your next purchase. 

[OkobojiEagle]

2 hours ago, Sharkicane said:

 

 

The fish at this little lake I fish at I am desperately trying to get a reaction type bite from. I've got them on Texas rigged flukes and brush hogs but that's about it. I was hoping the shad rap would do the trick. 

 

 

 

 

 

You may be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole...  The Shad Rap is not a very good choice if you're wanting to crash it into cover looking for a reaction bite.  Think of the Shad Rap more as a deeper diving floating jerk bait.  Buy a package of 3 1/2" - 4" swimbaits and a few 1/8 - 1/4oz ball jig heads and swim them a foot or so off bottom in the areas you've been successfull with your previous baits.  If you absolutely have to, a lightly weighted small swimbait hook will make it more weedless.

 

oe

[WRB]

On May 8, 2018 at 8:39 PM, Sharkicane said:

Rod: Daiwa Alexa 6’5 MH Xtra fast 

Reel:  Kastking Assassin

Line: 15lb Pline CXX

 

Ive got my brakes turned on to 4 inside and 7 outside. I can not for the life of me cast this thing without a backlash or far enough on the few times I don’t. I’ve watched a dozen videos on how to but just can’t seem to get it. I’m giving it more line than normal to load the rod more on start up. Still mid flight my spool overruns. 

 

What throws me is I can cast a weightless trig super fluke which I know is a little heavier but I can cast it decently with little to no backlash. 

 

Any advice or tips here? I even tried it on a spinning rod/reel but it just dead stops after 10-15 ft. (I’m thinking I spooled the reel wrong or maybe the reel itself is off it’s a Shimano spheros 4K)

Know one could cast a size 5 Shad Rap with your tackle.

The lure is like a kite and tends to sail, your line is stiff with lots of memory, your rod too still for the lure to load it up, the reel can't start spinning the spool, nothing is right.

With your tackle set up all you can do is troll the lure dehind a boat or rig it with a C-rig using 1/2 to 3/4 oz weight.

Tom

[WRB]

On May 11, 2018 at 6:38 AM, Sharkicane said:

I went ahead and took the general consensus advice. I ended up with a president 25 w/ 8# seaguar red label flouro. Exactly how far should I be able to cast this #5 shad rap? I was kinda disappointed I could only get it out there like 20-25 yards. Idk if it’s me or maybe my rod is too stiff or what. Its labeled as M/F. 

 

Later the wind picked up and I just switched to something else I’m going to guess you can cast this thing with wind no matter that rod you use? 

What about size 5 Shad Rap don't you get.....it kites.

You are also asking for trouble using FC line IMO.

Tom