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[millerp]

Question, if I have a rod rated for 10-14 lb test line and a reel rated for the same 10-14 lb test line and I put on 20 lb braid spiderwire,does that effect any thing?

[Catt]

1 minute ago, millerp said:

Question, if I have a rod rated for 10-14 lb test line and a reel rated for the same 10-14 lb test line and I put on 20 lb braid spiderwire,does that effect any thing?

 

Yeah it instantly disintegrate!

 

The popularity of Flipping, Pitching, & Punching with 65# braid had anglers scratching their heads when they looked at rod-n-reel rating.

 

Yes braid snapped rods & bend spool shafts but most of that was operator error.

[millerp]

I forgot to mention it is a bait caster, and I always tie a leader of floro about 2 ft long on the end.Thanks for the reply. I was trying to see if it effects the casting. The reel is a curado 71 hg. When I get snagged up its allways the leader that breaks

I cant seem to cast with mono or floro on a baitcaster very well ,maybe just need more practice.

[Brad in Texas]

The ratings for most rods and the reels assume monofilament line metrics (diameters), so the 20 lbs. braid you are using should be compared to that range.

 

Berkley Trilene Big Game is .012 at 10 lbs. and your braid is .010 or thereabouts depending on the particular line you have.  If anything, you are just a tad too small based on the recommended size ranges.

 

The effects? Using braids too small for casting reels often are accompanied by "on the reel" issues. Using braids too large will diminish casting distances and performance yet work just fine all the way up to 50+ lbs. test strengths for short presentations requiring super strong lines . . . where casting distance is not required.

 

You mention casting so I take it that distance and general performance are key here. If anything, I'd think you'd likely be better with slightly larger braid. 30 might be better than 20. A whole lot will depend on the reel, itself, less so in my opinion on the rod, then even more on the user's skills.

 

Brad

[millerp]

Thanks Brad, do you think casting distance would be effected much between 30 lb braid and 50lb? I read somewere that a heaver braid will not dig in as much on baitcasters

[Cgolf]

I have been throwing 50lb braid on rod and reel combos rated for 10 to 12 lbs for years with no issues. I have no idea why they rate the rods for line anyways, I get the reel for capacity wise.

[J Francho]

6 minutes ago, cgolf said:

I have no idea why they rate the rods for line anyways, I get the reel for capacity wise.

It helps determine where to set you drag.  It also gives you some indicator of true power of the rod, since there's no standard for a "medium" rod.  If you're using 50# drag on a 10-17# rod, then you can safely set your drag to 5-6# without fear of breaking the rod.

[lmbfisherman]

More about not breaking your rod, like others stated.  You don't want to set your drag too much and/or trying to break off a snag with a 50lb braid and bending your rod to its limits. 

[Cgolf]

2 hours ago, lmbfisherman said:

More about not breaking your rod, like others stated.  You don't want to set your drag too much and/or trying to break off a snag with a 50lb braid and bending your rod to its limits. 

Snags suck with 50lb braid, I either pull with the rod straight or let out enough line and just pull that with a glove so I don't get cut.

[Pro Logcatcher]

3 hours ago, lmbfisherman said:

More about not breaking your rod, like others stated.  You don't want to set your drag too much and/or trying to break off a snag with a 50lb braid and bending your rod to its limits. 

I was just fishing with a buddy when a huge bass followed my glide bait out of a dock. He got excited and set the hook on a stump, snapping his rod in two.

[Brad in Texas]

4 hours ago, millerp said:

Thanks Brad, do you think casting distance would be effected much between 30 lb braid and 50lb? I read somewere that a heaver braid will not dig in as much on baitcasters

Several more good points about drag effects, rod potential loads for a given line.

 

Regarding casting distance, yes, the lighter the line, the farther it'll generally cast. But, even here we have limitations to consider as optimal distances have a lot to do with what combination (rod, line, lure, etc.) loads up the rod best for a long cast.

 

Just in general, most of us here aren't using really heavy braid lines for maximum distance but for other purposes like hauling a big fish out of heavy cover.

 

The longest casts in competitive bass fishing are likely made by the open water guys, the power anglers . . . like KVD. You could take a look and see what size lines he uses for covering lots of water.

 

Brad

 

 

[millerp]

Thanks,for all the replys, I went out and bought some 12 lb mono sunline super mono. and some ardent line butter, see what happens.

[lmbfisherman]

56 minutes ago, cgolf said:

Snags suck with 50lb braid, I either pull with the rod straight or let out enough line and just pull that with a glove so I don't get cut.

Totally what I do and agree.  If I do not have a glove, I will wrap it around my sleeve or towel.  

 

I see a lot of people still try and bend the rods into a U instead of doing it the right way. 

[dgkasper58]

4 hours ago, J Francho said:

It helps determine where to set you drag.  It also gives you some indicator of true power of the rod, since there's no standard for a "medium" rod.  If you're using 50# drag on a 10-17# rod, then you can safely set your drag to 5-6# without fear of breaking the rod.

Thank you this really helped me.

 

Follow up question/thought:  If I am flipping with a M/H rod and 50lb braid I usually turn my drag all the way up (since I want to horse that fish out of the cover) Is it too much on that rod if its only rated at 20lbs?  I usually don't hammer hooksets home but feel like I cross their eyes enough that I should have already been buying a lot more rods.

 

Is there an equation or something to do this? I have never seen a 50lb drag but think that I may have my drag turned up way too much on all my set ups.

 

Sounds like it is smarter to just turn my drag down some and lose a fish or two, to save a rod.

 

 

[J Francho]

That really depends on your hook sets, and your willingness to accept a broken rod.  I don't think you'll be losing fish, though. A rod rated at 20# should be able to handle 8 lbs. of drag.  Dead lift a gallon of milk with a rod, and you'll see what I mean.

[Cgolf]

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[millerp]

18 minutes ago, J Francho said:

That really depends on your hook sets, and your willingness to accept a broken rod.  I don't think you'll be losing fish, though. A rod rated at 20# should be able to handle 8 lbs. of drag.  Dead lift a gallon of milk with a rod, and you'll see what I mean.

My knots keep breaking before the weight comes of the floor even with hafe a gallon 4 lbs

[CroakHunter]

22 minutes ago, millerp said:

My knots keep breaking before the weight comes of the floor even with hafe a gallon 4 lbs

What knot?

[All about da bass]

Palomar is best for braid.

[Munkin]

Using braid with a weight above the rod rating will cause the earth to rotate off its axis and spin into the sun causing the end to all humanity!

 

Allen

[millerp]

What Knot? just a granny's knot with 12 lb floro.

got it now Thanks

[Boomstick]

Seems like you want to use 30lb or 40lb braid. 40lb braid has the same diameter as 10lb mono, and is less likely to dig into itself although you could try 30 and see how that works.

[Sam]

Old pro's trick:

 

Look at the line test on the rod.

 

Add the low and high end numbers together and divide by 2.

 

This is the best line test for that rod.

 

As for braid, look at the diameter and match it with the diameter of the flouro or mono to have a match.