Best baitcasting reel under 180$

[Riazuli]

6 hours ago, Tywithay said:

The SV system is very similar to MagZ, except it has (for lack of a better term) a governor, or limiter, on the inductor. The MagZ inductor only works when the spool is at the highest speed. The SV inductor will pop out when the spool exceeds a certain speed, then it slowly works back from the magnets. That's what keeps it from backlashing. The only difference between it and MagZ is that it offers that bit of braking on the back end of a cast when the spool is slowing and the inductor is sliding back into place. 

From Daiwa's website:

 

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SV CONCEPT Specially developed material is applied to the induct rotor, which is exposed out from the spool when rotating at high speed. As the spool slows, the induct rotor moves back towards the magnetic field which brakes the spool according to the weights of different types of lures."   That confirms what I was saying about the magnetic brakes being applied as the spool slows, so it's not slowly working back from the magnets, but towards the magnets.  It wouldn't make sense to mag first and then let off as that would be killing all of your initial force and momentum on the cast.  It makes sense to mag afterwards, toward the end, to help prevent back lashing.

4 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

The Air Brake of the SV and Air spools operate the same as the Magforce Z/V spools in that the acceleration of the spool increases braking by extending an induction rotor (inductor) closer to the magnets and moving it further away as the spool deaccelerates.  The Air Brake spools brake more throughout the cast due to a combination of softer inductor springs, deeper/longer inductors operating closer to the magnets and the the way the ramp shaped Air Brake itself operates.  The SV are more willing to extend the inductor, do so at much lower speeds and for longer than the Magforce Z and V spools.  

Read above... 

[Fishingmickey]

Being a shameless Shimano fan boy, you might check out the Casitas, Citca, and as others have said Curado 70 and the "K".

FM 

[Jaderose]

The one that feels best in your hand and does what you need/want it to do.  

[Wurming67]

11 hours ago, Wurming67 said:

It would be great if more reel companies made reel spools to hold less line for bass reels.

 

[Riazuli]

6 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

I would recommend you do a little more research into how Magforce Z an Air Brake work before trying to take on Daiwa nerds.  Don't put too much stock in some text on Daiwa english site translated from japanese.  They both do indeed extend the inductor outwards at the beginning on the cast to increase braking and braking decreases as the spool slows and the inductor seats.    This makes sense because this is how you stop a backlash from occurring as soon as you cast.  This is also how centrifugal brakes operate as well in that they extend and contact the race as the spool accelerates and fall away as the spool slows.  The difference is that centrifugal brakes completely turn off once they are no longer contacting the race where as the Magforce Z and Air Brake will still brake when the inductor is seated as the spool slows albeit less than when the spool was accelerating.  I have ported Air Brake spools that allow me to see the inductor move by just flicking the spool.  I have a Magforce V Airy Red Pixy that I can hear the inductor seat as the bait nears the water on a cast.  Just play with any Magforce Z/V or Air Brake reel by turning the mag dial and flicking the spool and observing the spools behavior.  The spool will be more controlled for the entirety of its rotation as the dial is increased.

 

Here is a vid on Magforce 3D that shows the movement of the inductor.  Non Magforce 3D reels behave like a Magforce 3D reel set to All Around.  Magforce 3D reels use the same spools as Magforce Z reels. 

 

Skip to 2:10

 

Thanks for the video, that is very informative although as you mentioned, not exactly like the sv braking system.  I was mainly debating a comment about the inductor moving away from the magnets as the spool slowed as others had stated vs what the Daiwa website says very clearly: that the rotor moves closer to the magnets as the spool slows, inducing braking.  I get the centrifugal comparison for the beginning of the cast - never debated that.  I'm pretty sure Daiwa knows the difference between toward and away in translation...if they got that wrong, seems like a pretty big goof that I plan to get clarification on directly from them.  

[Riazuli]

2 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

the induct rotor, which is exposed out from the spool when rotating at high speed. As the spool slows, the induct rotor moves back towards the magnetic field which brakes the spool according to the weights of different types of lures."

 

Daiwa goofed.  In their own words they state that the induction rotor is outwards at high speed and then moves back toward the magnetic field.  The 1st part makes sense but that last bit is poorly worded.  How do I move back towards?

 

The inductor is always in the magnetic field and moves more inductor into the magnetic field as it extends into the magnetic rings at higher speed and less of the inductor is in the field at lower speeds when just the edge of the inductor is in the magnetic rings.

 

It should read:

the induct rotor, which is exposed out from the spool when rotating at high speed. As the spool slows, the induct rotor moves back from the magnetic field which brakes the spool according to the weights of different types of lures."

Interesting - gonna have to go straight to daiwa on this one!  Thanks for sharing, I'll mention what you said as far as which way things move and magnetic force applied at what time when I talk to them. 

[MotoSD]

As others have said, both the curado k and tatula sv are great reels.  For me, the SV shines on lighter lures but wouldnt hesitate to throw something heavier.  My favorite thing with the daiwas is how the lure falls vertical without stripping line by hand. on the curado k, with the brakes and spool tension set correctly, you may have to strip line by hand depending on the lure weight. 

 

I use both everytime im on the water, but for different presentations. If I had to pick one brand in the <$200 class for all my reels, id probably go daiwa.  If you asked me 2 years ago, id have said shimano all the way. 

[Graham]

Curado.

[Riazuli]

8 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

the induct rotor, which is exposed out from the spool when rotating at high speed. As the spool slows, the induct rotor moves back towards the magnetic field which brakes the spool according to the weights of different types of lures."

 

Daiwa goofed.  In their own words they state that the induction rotor is outwards at high speed an loopd then moves back toward the magnetic field.  The 1st part makes sense but that last bit is poorly worded.  How do I move back towards?

 

The inductor is always in the magnetic field and moves more inductor into the magnetic field as it extends into the magnetic rings at higher speed and less of the inductor is in the field at lower speeds when just the edge of the inductor is in the magnetic rings.

 

It should read:

the induct rotor, which is exposed out from the spool when rotating at high speed. As the spool slows, the induct rotor moves back from the magnetic field which brakes the spool according to the weights of different types of lures."

This video hits it on the nail and supports what has been said about the inductor moving toward the magnetic field initially and away as the spool slows.  Funny as the guy mentions the discrepancy between that and the Daiwa website.  I'll be calling later today, sending an email now. 

 

I have to add that this doesn't change my personal feeling that the sv reel feels a little "magneticy" on the cast. Again, don't get me wrong, I love the reel, it casts and feels overall amazing.  I just personally prefer the feel of the cast on the straight centrifugal Curado K.  As I had mentioned before, both reels have their advantages and disadvantages for me.  It also makes sense why I notice the magnets more later as the initial force and speed of the spool makes that feeling less noticeable, where there may be less magnetic force at the end of the cast based on what y'all have said and the video I linked, but the force is there nonetheless.  Oh... And... May the 4th be with you ?

[Riazuli]

So, I sent Daiwa an email and they are now correcting their website!  I've got their new description attached - before it hits the shelves

 

 

[bigfruits]

curado 70/71 or a used Aldebaran Mg

[Riazuli]

1 hour ago, BaitFinesse said:

That is still a little off base.  Even when the inductor is seated there is magnetic braking just much less than when it was extended.  It also varies based on individual spool braking profile from inductor length and spring rates.

Yeah, technically it's not entirely unhampered at slow speed - should say not as affected. Main thing is they addressed the direction... That was a pretty big goof.  I'll still email back to mention the unhampered part. 

[Riazuli]

2 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

That is still a little off base.  Even when the inductor is seated there is magnetic braking just much less than when it was extended.  It also varies based on individual spool braking profile from inductor length and spring rates.

Here's the new website description:

 

SV CONCEPT The induct rotor, made of strong, lightweight Super Duralumin, is exposed out from the spool and into the magnetic braking field when rotating at high speed, preventing overrun. As the spool slows, the induct rotor moves back towards the spool, away from the magnetic field, which allows the cast to carry further for maximum distance.

[Junger]

5 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

This Air Brake and the light weight duraluminum spool together allow the SV concept to rely on brake settings instead of spool tension allowing the user to change bait weights without adjusting spool tension and to use no tension on the spool at all for free bait movement or some stuff like that. 

I just read this thread and what you said here just hit the nail on the head for me. I have 2 Tatula CT Type R's and I bought a SV TW. I was trying to adjust the SV TW like my Type R, mid brake setting, tension knob to where the bait dropping straight down didn't cause backlash. Distance was just OK on the SV TW that way....one day I took it out and had the settings on 18 brake, very loose knob tension and flung it out with the same lure and it went a good 10-15 yards farther.

[Beetlebz]

I run my spool tension on my SV all the way loose. I run it so loose I take the knob off and leave it at home! Seriously though, I have it screwed down just tight enough to eliminate side to side play... I haven't found a bait that the brakes couldn't handle on they're own yet. 

[Tywithay]

42 minutes ago, Beetlebz said:

I run my spool tension on my SV all the way loose. I run it so loose I take the knob off and leave it at home! Seriously though, I have it screwed down just tight enough to eliminate side to side play... I haven't found a bait that the brakes couldn't handle on they're own yet. 

I don't even tighten it that much. My spool can still wiggle a bit and I have yet to backlash that SV spool. 

[Riazuli]

Good to know regarding the spool tension staying looser on tat sv's

7 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

Good enough I guess but that is more of a Long Cast mode Magforce 3D description.  SV is more controlled than that.  A better description would be to explain how Magforce Z works then make comparisons with the SV Air Brake stating how the Air Brake extends its inductor sooner, longer and at lower spool speeds than the Magforce Z reels.  This Air Brake and the light weight duraluminum spool together allow the SV concept to rely on brake settings instead of spool tension allowing the user to change bait weights without adjusting spool tension and to use no tension on the spool at all for free bait movement or some stuff like that.  They can even throw in their Zero Adjuster knob into the mix and promote the ability to make adding spool tension difficult as a feature.

Good enough is right, lol.  The fact that their description went for as long as wrong as it was speaks to who's actually questioning it...I appreciate your in depth analysis of it - not sure how many sv users really consider that much, but the more you know and understand your tech, the more you can appreciate and take advantage of it!  

[J.Vincent]

If you are also planning on doing any light inshore saltwater fishing, then definitely get the Shimano Curado K. But if you are only doing freshwater bass , then I would actually look at the Revo X or Origin C before I considered the Revo SX. Both the Revo X and the Origin C perform at a much higher level than their price point would indicate. I'd put them on par with most any $130-$150 dollar reel. 

[LonnieP]

I always set my SV’s spools up so that there is side to side movement. I think the people that complain about casting distance don’t have them set up properly.

[lmbfisherman]

Casting distance vs Accuracy...accuracy 90% for me.  Why I pick reel, my personal preference.  If I were you, I’d get a Curado 70 or K.  If you want advice which is better for you, go in store and test how it feels for you. 

[Junger]

2 hours ago, LonnieP said:

I always set my SV’s spools up so that there is side to side movement. I think the people that complain about casting distance don’t have them set up properly.

That was my case, and for about 2 months too. I watched video reviews of the Tatula SV TW, and not one of them I saw talked about how to set it up. I did see the Reel Test review of the CT Type R vs Tat SV TW and the Type R outcasted it by about 8 yards on average, so I figured the way I had it set up was about right. Now I'm bombing the SV TW and I wonder if the Reel Test guy had his SV TW set up right too. I feel like it's a totally different reel now in my hands.