How to spool my small 1000 reel with 20 lb mono

[TheBrenda]

I usually fish with braid. But for some reason my Shimano Stradic 1000fh reel gets terrible wind knots with braid. I have tried multiple types and gauge of braid and yes I know what causes wind knots. None of my other Shimano 1000 reels have this issue. So I spooled the Stradic with 8 lb mono but the line broke several times even on small bass. So I bought 20 lb mono and no matter which side I lay the spool (label on top or label on bottom) while I am putting it on my reel, the line just jumps off my reel. The line is Berkley Trilene, Big Game, 20 lb, 650 yds. What am I doing wrong?

 

 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Using 20# mono on a spinning reel. 

[J Francho]

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How to spool my small 1000 reel with 20 lb mono

You don't.  I wouldn't put anything higher than 6# line on a 1000 series spool.  And as far as spooling up, do it the way the directions for your reel show:

 

 

 

 

[Junger]

47 minutes ago, J Francho said:

You don't.  I wouldn't put anything higher than 6# line on a 1000 series spool.  And as far as spooling up, do it the way the directions for your reel show:

 

 

 

 

@TheBrendaSeems like something else is wrong if you're breaking 8lb mono on small bass.  Check the guides on your rod, are they dinged up where they're chaffing your line?

 

@J FranchoThat's exactly how I spool my spinning reels...told it creates line twists that way though.

 

 

[OnthePotomac]

I only use only 8lb mono on my Sahara, Exceler and Capricorn.  Never fails.

[Armtx77]

Check your guides with a Q-Tip first. 20lbs mono on a 1000 series spinner...I dont think you will get much on it, but I could be wrong.

 

I run #8 NanoFil on my 1500 BG and I can get about 130 yds on it. I have caught up to 6lbs on it several times without issue.

[Hulkster]

switch to 6 pound mono and try a good limp line like Sufix Siege or elite. I use  6 pound Sufix Siege on my 1000 size shimano's and it casts amazing. and strong too. 

 

Big Game is very coily line. 

[grub_man]

The diameter of the spool is much too small for 20lb. mono.  Anything above about 8 - 10 lb mono on a spool that size will want to jump off.

 

Wind knots are not generally caused by the reel.

 

1. Check to make sure that the line roller is turning freely.  If it is not, it may be part of the issue.

2. When you cast, close the bail by hand and give the line a slight tug to pull it snug before reeling.

3. If 8 lb mono is breaking on small bass, you need to either use fresh line, retie, and/or check the line for abrasions.

 

 

Junger,

 

Does it create twist on your reels?  If not, run with it.

 

I spool all of my reels with the line coming off of the top of the spool, whether it is a casting reel or spinning reel.  I run the line through all of the guides and use my feet for tension on the spool (about the tension of reeling in a 10"-12" bass).  I never have line issues on freshly spooled reels anymore.  I believe it is the tension that helps more than anything else.

[J Francho]

1 hour ago, Junger said:

@J FranchoThat's exactly how I spool my spinning reels...told it creates line twists that way though.

Of course it does.  It's twist that uncoils when you make the cast.  Why do it any other way?  You can test the theory using an extension cord or hose.

[MassYak85]

3 hours ago, J Francho said:

You don't. 

Switch to a smaller lie size if you are running mono on a reel that small. Maybe like 8. 

[soflabasser]

8-10 pound mono for a size 1000 spinning reel will probably be better than using 20 pound mono.

[new2BC4bass]

Either you got some bad line or there is something wrong with your equipment.  No way should you be breaking 8# line on a bass.  My PB bass was 7.2 lbs.  I've caught heavier fish than that on 4# mono.

[JustinJ]

4-6lb mono or 10lb braid on a 1000 series reel. Make sure when you spool mono the line is coming off the spool in a counter clockwise direction and that you dont overfill the spool. As far as your line breaking it sounds like you probably have a cracked rod guide.

[TheBrenda]

OK, so no 20 lb mono. Trying to determine why my line broke. I had spooled it with brand new 10 lb H2O XPRESS 10lb Premium Monofilament maybe a month ago. I fish maybe 3-4 evenings for about 1 hour. It is not an expensive rod, a Berkley Cherrywood HD. The guides are not ceramic. I just checked my guides and cleaned them. Did not see anything obvious. I cast and retrieve a swim bait with a 1/4 oz jig head and rubber swim bait from my kayak or the shore. There are quite a few weeds that I have to pull hard through and sometimes really hard when the hook gets stuck. The first break was from lifting the fish out of the water into the kayak (I don't use a net) and he was trying to shake the hook loose. Not good with weights but he was not large. The second break was a smaller bass just flipping in the air while i was reeling him in. How often do you change your line? Any suggestions?

[kickerfish1]

20# mono is too light for that size of reel. I would move up to 40# and probably add a wire leader too!

 

Seriougly 6 or 8# would be tops. Adjust your drag accordingly and make sure it is not your knots that are failing or frayed or damaged line.

 

I use 6 and 8# line all the time for bass fishing. Never an issue. I don't even use anything heavier than 13# mono for my casting reels.

[Darren.]

Welcome aboard!

 

What brand of braid are/were you using? The

reel shouldn't be the cause of wind knots.

 

I use 10 and 15# PowerPro and Power Pro

Super Slick 8 braid on 5 Stradics from the 

FI to the CI+. No FH in my arsenal, though.

 

Are your other Stradics mounted on the same

Cherrywood rods? If you swapped out rods,

did it help with the wind knots?

[Boomstick]

I would say make sure you are spooling your braid correctly, and I am wondering why you are using 20lb braid on a 1000 sized reel, not 10lb.

 

Anyway there is no chance I would put anything larger than 6lb mono on that reel. If you want to use 20lb mono, go get a 5000 - 6500 sized reel.

[Jaderose]

Are you breaking or coming untied?  What knots are you using?

[WRB]

1. Your reel has a good drag, use it.

2. 20 lb mono on any fresh water size spinning reel under 4000 size will be a problem.

3. Fins WindTamer braid will solve your wind knot issue. Braid does twist on a spinning reel, so it does need to be untwisted occasionally. 

Tom

PS, I use 5 lb Maxima Ultra Green on 1000 size Stractic with issues catching good size bass.

[Deleted account]

On 4/27/2018 at 1:28 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

Using 20# mono on a spinning reel. 

This^. I find 8 lb to be the limit on a 1000-2000 size reel. I go to a 3000 or 4000 if I want to fish 10-12 lb, and as much as I like Big Game on baitcasters, It's not a good choice for spinning reels.

[TheBrenda]

Getting back to my wind knot issue using braid on my Stradic 1000fh. I get an awful wind knot every eight casts or so. My Symetre 1000 fl has no problems with wind knots. They are on different rods so I will switch rods and see. I have tried 30lb braid, because i read that higher gauge would help wind knots. I tried super slick and Fins windtamer. Super Slick at least made it easier to pick out the knots. I made sure that I did not over fill the spool. I did just read that if the spool is not distributed evenly and especially if it fills more at the top that could cause wind knots. My Stradic does spool heavy to the top. Will get a washer/filler to lift up the spool. Any other things that people can think of? Besides me on living on a lake with lots of weed lines where i constantly have to pull and jerk the line? 

[finatic]

You're using Berkley Trilene, that's the problem. I used this line once and had nothing but issues - constant line breaks, looping, snags, etc. I switched to Power Pro and have never went back. Braid can be finicky sometimes so always close your bail by hand, making sure your line is snug before you begin reeling. Also keep and eye on the spool after a cast and make sure the line isn't lapped over your reel face. That happens a lot and can cause knotting on the line.

[WRB]

The roller on the bail rotator could be defective or not turning freely. 

Wind knots usually show up at the rod tip.

You could try Professor braid line conditioner.

Really surprised Fins WindTamer isn't working!

What type of lures are you using? do you set the drag at 3 lbs? Are you reeling against fighting bass with the drag set too high? Did you check your guides to cracks?

Tom