WRangler506 Posted April 26, 2018 Posted April 26, 2018 I've been reading a lot lately on what to focus on for Northern Smallmouth, MI and Ontario. Downsizing baits, smaller jigs and trailers? Minnow shaped baits rather than shad shaped? (What are the best smallmouth crankbaits?) Fishing underwater structure like humps, rocks edges, current. How to fish grubs properly? Top 3 techniques to focus on? (tubes, jigs, cranks, spinnerbaits...) Any help with details on the questions/comments above would be greatly appreciated! Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted April 26, 2018 Super User Posted April 26, 2018 1. Rage Tail Menace, T-rigged, 1/4 bullet weight and 3/0 EWG hook 2. Rage Tail Swimmer 3. Megabass Ito Vision 110 Bonus: BPS Tender Tube #71 3 Quote
mattkenzer Posted April 26, 2018 Posted April 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, roadwarrior said: Bonus: BPS Tender Tube #71 Have you tried #94? Quote
Super User Dwight Hottle Posted April 26, 2018 Super User Posted April 26, 2018 For suspended smallies the number one bait is a jerkbait. Other good baits are spy baits, swimming a grub on a jig, spinnerbaits, hair jigs, swim baits or other depth controlled baits for suspending fish. When smallies are tight to the bottom vertical jigging a blade bait, jigging spoon or a jig tipped with live bait or plastic trailer works. You can also drift fish with blades baits or tube jigs or grubs. Casting and trolling crankbaits will also work well. My favorite crankbait is a hot'n tot because they flat out hunt. Bait shape decisions are based on what the predominate forage is. Smelt, emerald shiners & perch are best matched with minnow or stick baits. Alewife & shad are best matched with shad shaped baits. 3 Quote
tkunk Posted April 26, 2018 Posted April 26, 2018 It depends on the season, but my favorite baits, in no particular order, are Keitech 2.8-3.5, retrieved very slowly Pointer 78-100, retrieve depends on water temps and wind drop shot (I can't fish tubes very often because of snot weed) Random notes: Hair jigs are awesome for prespawn In my experience, crankbaits like DT10's-DT20's are excellent for size but terrible for numbers Burning spinnerbaits is fun when it's warm and very windy My #1 tip is to fish the windy side of all structure (above and below the water's surface), because that's where the active fish are likely to be. With a few exceptions, the windier it is, the better the fishing will be. 1 Quote
WRangler506 Posted April 26, 2018 Author Posted April 26, 2018 1 hour ago, roadwarrior said: 1. Rage Tail Menace, T-rigged, 1/4 bullet weight and 3/0 EWG hook 2. Rage Tail Swimmer 3. Megabass Ito Vision 110 Bonus: BPS Tender Tube #71 Do you fish the on a castin or spinning setup usually, and what specs of the rod? Thanks 40 minutes ago, Dwight Hottle said: For suspended smallies the number on bait is a jerkbait. Other good baits are spy baits, swimming a grub on a jig, spinnerbaits, hair jigs, swim baits or other depth controlled baits for suspending fish. When smallies are tight to the bottom vertical jigging a blade bait, jigging spoon or a jig tipped with live bait or plastic trailer works. You can also drift fish with blades baits or tube jigs or grubs. Casting and trolling crankbaits will also work well. My favorite crankbait is a hot'n tot because they flat out hunt. Bait shape decisions are based on what the predominate forage is. Smelt, emerald shiners & perch are best matched with minnow or stick baits. Alewife & shad are best matched with shad shaped baits. What jerkbaits do you like most? I know I need to swim grubs on jigs more, and try some hair jigs. The water stays cold for a long time most places I fish. Quote
Super User Dwight Hottle Posted April 26, 2018 Super User Posted April 26, 2018 1 hour ago, WRangler506 said: What jerkbaits do you like most? I know I need to swim grubs on jigs more, and try some hair jigs. The water stays cold for a long time most places I fish. I’m a jerk bait junkie. I have lots of expensive baits from Japan and lots of not expensive baits. For sheer numbers of bass caught the rapala husky jerk & smithwick rogues have done a beat down on Lake Erie smallies over the years. The husky jerk deep diver alone has probably put 40-50 six pound smallies in my boat. Very, very effective. I also use a lot of lucky craft pointers 100 series, 100 series deep divers, 127's & 128's, Ima flits and Duo Realis 100 & 120 sp. Quote
WRangler506 Posted April 26, 2018 Author Posted April 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dwight Hottle said: I’m a jerk bait junkie. I have lots of expensive baits from Japan and lots of not expensive baits. For sheer numbers of bass caught the rapala husky jerk & smithwick rogues have done a beat down on Lake Erie smallies over the years. The husky jerk deep diver alone has probably put 40-50 six pound smallies in my boat. Very, very effective. I also use a lot of lucky craft pointers 100 series, 100 series deep divers, 127's & 128's, Ima flits and Duo Realis 100 & 120 sp. I must not be fishing them right. Ive only tried the HJ10 for bass, never the DDHJs. I have tons of both for walleye trolling. Quote
Super User Dwight Hottle Posted April 26, 2018 Super User Posted April 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, WRangler506 said: I must not be fishing them right. Ive only tried the HJ10 for bass, never the DDHJs. I have tons of both for walleye trolling. HJ12's & HJ14 size. Go big or go home. 1 Quote
Super User soflabasser Posted April 26, 2018 Super User Posted April 26, 2018 3 hours ago, roadwarrior said: 1. Rage Tail Menace, T-rigged, 1/4 bullet weight and 3/0 EWG hook 2. Rage Tail Swimmer 3. Megabass Ito Vision 110 Bonus: BPS Tender Tube #71 The rage tail menace looks like it will do good in the places I fish for smallies. Might get a couple packs of them and give them a try on my next trip up north. Quote
Super User FryDog62 Posted April 27, 2018 Super User Posted April 27, 2018 Good suggestions above. I’ll throw out another I had good luck with up here in the North last year: Maxscent General wacky style or drop-shot wacky style. Best color was the orange - very close to the crayfish color on Mille Lacs, Rainy, Vermilion, etc. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted April 27, 2018 Super User Posted April 27, 2018 22 hours ago, WRangler506 said: Do you fish the on a castin or spinning setup usually, and what specs of the rod? Spinnining tackle for the Tender tube (MF/ 6# Tatsu). Baitcasting for the others. Quote
MikeInWyandotte Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 1. KVD Coffe Tube in green pumpkin 2. Z-Man TRD worm on mushroom head jig (green pumpkin, coppertreuse or mud bug. 3. KVD Dream shot on drop shot rig in green pumpkin. For options 1 and 3 sometimes helpful to dip tip in chartreuse or methiolate dye. All three have been slaying smallies for me in Lake St Clair, Lake Erie and the Detroit River for the past five years now. All this said, no artificial bait can top a live crayfish... it is simply irresistible to smallmouth. 1 1 Quote
BuzzHudson19c Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 Tips for northern smallies (keep in mind these are based on river small mouth from my own experience) 1. They are probably shallower than you think. 2. Use obnoxious colors, lots or chartreuse/black. 3. Run topwater baits faster than you think you should. My top picks for smallie baits 1. Buzzbait 2. squarebill 3. ratltrap Quote
Adam.love05 Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 I live in northern Vermont and my best baits are : 1) Shakey head 2) wacky rig 3) small swimbaits 4) jerkbait 5)crankbait If I had to pick three... Tough one, but I'd pick 3,4,5 just because they are my favorite ways to fish! I get most success from 2,3,4 usually.. Quote
rejesterd Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1. Big spinnerbait (3/4 oz), especially at dawn/dusk or when it's completely overcast during the day. 2. Rebel Big Craw crankbait. 3. Dropshot with a 4" Roboworm, Fluke or Senko. I probably catch 60-70% of my smallmouth in the summer using these. Jerkbaits and shallow-running squarbills would be a close 4th and 5th though. Quote
Turkey sandwich Posted June 15, 2018 Posted June 15, 2018 Lots of great suggestions on here on baits and techniques, so I'll touch a bit on locating fish. Smallmouth move much, much more than largemouth. The standard seasonal patterns for largemouth are similar. During the summer and into the fall, offshore structure is prime in lakes. They want ambush points and will set up oriented into the current using current breaks often like largemouth will use a weed line. They'll also move a lot from day to day, but can be found shallow, especially later in the day. In rivers, from the summer through the fall you'll generally find them in or around current, as that's what provides them with food. Generally, you want to find current breaks where they can hold in softer water. If you can find areas where fast and slow water meet, and especially if there's nearby depth, you'll find very consistently find fish. Quote
DubyaDee Posted June 15, 2018 Posted June 15, 2018 If you're looking for some broad info like this, I'd suggest keeping things as simple as possible. Get a 7 foot Med Light rod and you can cover 90% of smallmouth presentations. Tubes, grubs, jerkbaits/flukes, dropshot, spybaits, ned rigs, poppers, baby spooks. You don't need all of these, just pick what suites your style of fishing. If you're a jig guy, bring some tubes. If you're a frog guy, bring a few baby spooks and a popper. Fish what you've got confidence in and you'll be fine. Some of my favorite days are when I only keep my tube rod on my deck. Keep your lure wet, and cover lots of water. 1 Quote
Super User Further North Posted June 18, 2018 Super User Posted June 18, 2018 On 4/26/2018 at 10:41 PM, cueball said: 1. Drop shot 2. Drop shot 3. Drop shot While I admire the dedication of folks who can take one presentation and stick with it, I'd go outta my mind if I tried that. Flies seem to be getting left off the list, so: Baitfish pattern Ol' Mr. Wiggly Just about any popper Regular gear: Smokin' Rooster, Texas rigged #5 Mepps Senko Quote
Super User Boomstick Posted June 29, 2018 Super User Posted June 29, 2018 My top three for northern smallies.. #3) Crankbaits or jerkbaits #2) Spinnerbaits #1) Drop shot. Try a KVD dream shot or Roboworm Akive shad nose hooked. Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted June 29, 2018 Super User Posted June 29, 2018 Jerkbaits in the spring. Drop shot in the summer. Spinnerbaits in the fall. Lighter gear on every presentation. Looong Casts in clear water less than 25 ft. A-Jay Quote
Super User TOXIC Posted June 29, 2018 Super User Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, A-Jay said: Jerkbaits in the spring. Drop shot in the summer. Spinnerbaits in the fall. Lighter gear on every presentation. Looong Casts in clear water less than 25 ft. A-Jay Exactly. My baits totally depend on the time of year and current conditions. 3 baits is like going into a gunfight with 3 bullets. I couldn't do it. 1 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted June 29, 2018 Super User Posted June 29, 2018 1 minute ago, TOXIC said: Exactly. My baits totally depend on the time of year and current conditions. 3 baits is like going into a gunfight with 3 bullets. I couldn't do it. OP alluded to 3 top tips - But I'll routinely carry a few extra 'clips' and they'll show brass right to the bottom. A-Jay 1 Quote
jbmaine Posted June 29, 2018 Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, A-Jay said: OP alluded to 3 top tips - But I'll routinely carry a few extra 'clips' and they'll show brass right to the bottom. A-Jay A-Jay, that rod on the right, has it been modified for full auto casting?☺️ 1 Quote
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