Copolymer

[sully420]

Im wondering if copolymer line floats or sinks?

[38 Super Fan]

The ones I've used have had near neutral buoyancy. Thinner diameters would typically very slowly sink. But if you were using around 15# or heavier, it would still float well enough for a topwater popper.

[Graham]

In my experience it behaves similar to floro (sinks a little slower), but has less memory than a true floro. I have my all purpose rod spooled with copolymer, and really like it. I use p-line (it’s cheap and gets the job done) while it’s not my go to line for any specific technique, it does a lot of things well and is fairly abrasion resistant as well.

[WRB]

Name a copolymer fishing line, just curious what you think it is.

Tom

[Graham]

@WRB is a florocarbon coated mono a true copolymer? 

[WRB]

17 minutes ago, Graham said:

@WRB is a florocarbon coated mono a true copolymer? 

No, fluorocarbon coated nylon polymer or "mono" is a coextruded hybrid line not a blended copolymer "monofilament line.

Examples; Yo-Zuri hybrid and P-Line FluoroClear.

For fishing line to float it must have a specific gravity lighter then water, like today's braided line or be treated with substance lighter then water. Fluorocarbon is heavier then water. Nylon is also slightly heavier then water and can absorbs water ( hygroscopic) making it nearly buoyant. Fluorocarbon is water proof, doesn't absorb water and being heavier it sinks because it cuts through the water surface tension with less coefficient of drag. The thin FC jacket would make hybrid line suspend in water. Copolymer line is a blend of 2 polymers, usually 2 grades of Nylon or Nylon and polyester, polyester being slightly lighter weight or specific gravity then Nylon.

Tom

[Graham]

Sorry @sully420 my original post is not going to be useful to you as my experience is not with a true copolymer line.

 

@WRB thanks for the info, what would be an example of a true copolymer and what would be the difference of it from what I’m using (coated line)?

[sully420]

7 hours ago, WRB said:

Name a copolymer fishing line, just curious what you think it is.

Tom

P-Line floroclear, I saw it on sale for 7.99 an thought i would give it a try.

[FrankN209]

8 hours ago, WRB said:

Name a copolymer fishing line, just curious what you think it is.

Tom

Yo-Zuri’s Hybrid......

 

Co-polymer consisting of fluorocarbon and nylon..Says right on their website..

[J Francho]

Fluorocarbon is not a monomer.  Most Nylon "mono" these days is some sort of copolymer, which really has been relegated to a marketing term.  Whether a copolymer floats depends on the type and brand.

[sully420]

Well I'll find out tomorrow on the water

[optimator]

2 minutes ago, sully420 said:

Well I'll find out tomorrow on the water

No better way to find out!

[J Francho]

Lighter sizes of Fluoroclear (4-6#) stay on top until it breaks surface tension.  Heavier sizes are slow sinking.  I have to say, this line is one of the poorer performing lines for me, despite being very soft and limber, compared to other coated lines like YZ Hybrid.  Be very cautious with knots, and setting the drag.

[WRB]

2 hours ago, FrankN209 said:

Yo-Zuri’s Hybrid......

 

Co-polymer consisting of fluorocarbon and nylon..Says right on their website..

Yo-Zuri hybrid core is a copolymer with a fluorocarbon coextruded jacket over the core.

What may clarify the Yo-Zuri construction is the cross section illustration they have on thier site. The tricky part of coextrusion is bonding 2 different polymers like polyimde and fluorocarbon. Yo-Zuri was one of the first line companies to develope an effective binder.

Blending 2 polymers like polyimde and polyester to make a copolymer is easier, the dry pellets are mixed together in a hooper and melted and extruded as a homogenous blend. Coextrusion requires 2 seperate hoopers of dry materials, the center extruded stream is coated with a outer extruded stream creating a coextrusion. 

Tom

PS, mono doesn't mean monomer, it an acromym for monofilament fishing line. Monofilament means single strand verse braided line and refers to early Nylon or polyimde fishing line, today called "mono".

[Darren.]

2 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Lighter sizes of Fluoroclear (4-6#) stay on top until it breaks surface tension.  Heavier sizes are slow sinking.  I have to say, this line is one of the poorer performing lines for me, despite being very soft and limber, compared to other coated lines like YZ Hybrid.  Be very cautious with knots, and setting the drag.

Spot on with Floroclear sizes. That gels with my usage.

 

Though I've had very good results with it.

 

As for knots and Floroclear, yes, you need to tie a good 

knot, and for me that means adding wraps for the lesser

pound tests. It's much slicker than YZH.

[FrankN209]

27 minutes ago, WRB said:

Yo-Zuri hybrid core is a copolymer with a fluorocarbon coextruded jacket over the core.

What may clarify the Yo-Zuri construction is the cross section illustration they have on thier site. The tricky part of coextrusion is bonding 2 different polymers like polyimde and fluorocarbon. Yo-Zuri was one of the first line companies to develope an effective binder.

Blending 2 polymers like polyimde and polyester to make a copolymer is easier, the dry pellets are mixed together in a hooper and melted and extruded as a homogenous blend. Coextrusion requires 2 seperate hoopers of dry materials, the center extruded stream is coated with a outer extruded stream creating a coextrusion. 

Tom

PS, mono doesn't mean monomer, it an acromym for monofilament fishing line. Monofilament means single strand verse braided line and refers to early Nylon or polyimde fishing line, today called "mono".

 

Thanks for the explanation. 

[Tywithay]

59 minutes ago, Darren. said:

Spot on with Floroclear sizes. That gels with my usage.

 

Though I've had very good results with it.

 

As for knots and Floroclear, yes, you need to tie a good 

knot, and for me that means adding wraps for the lesser

pound tests. It's much slicker than YZH.

In the short time I used fluoroclear, I had to treat it more like fluoro than a mono/copoly. I've found that you need to really wet the knot, just like regular fluorocarbon. I imagine the friction makes the fluorocarbon shell more brittle, weakening knots. 

[sully420]

Thanks guys for the help. If the floroclear sucks ill just pull it off at $7.99 for 300yards i thought id see if it got the job done. I need cost effective fishing tackle as i an trying to save money for a baby this fall.

[J Francho]

I've had $20 worth of Tatsu (1/2 spool) on a reel for four seasons.  Doesn't get any more cost effective than that.

[Darren.]

1 hour ago, Tywithay said:

In the short time I used fluoroclear, I had to treat it more like fluoro than a mono/copoly. I've found that you need to really wet the knot, just like regular fluorocarbon. I imagine the friction makes the fluorocarbon shell more brittle, weakening knots. 

For me, it wasn't the "weakening" of the knots, so much as 

slippage. When I tied a solid knot, there was no "weakness"

in the sense that I *rarely* broke there. But you can consider

slippage a weakness, I suppose  

[J Francho]

I'd agree with the slippage term.  I could not get an improved clinch to hold, like I can with just about every other line.