New shimano woes... question

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Shimano Curado K - http://fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Shimano_Product_Page.P-CURADO_K.html

[HogsNHawgs]

On 4/21/2018 at 6:11 AM, Beetlebz said:

Naw, I cast with my left and reel with my right. Essentially I'm casting left handed with a right handed reel. Us leftys are odd. When I cast my index finger is right along the little slide latch. 

 

If I can't figure this out I might just switch everything over to the casitas. I have one and the side plate isn't an issue... I wouldn't be heart broken buying a few more 

 

I'm an odd lefty too.  

 

 

[MisterDeadeye]

34 minutes ago, HogsNHawgs said:

 

I'm an odd lefty too.  

 

 

What's odd about being left handed and casting with your left arm on a right-hand retrieve reel? Your left hand will be the one messing with the rod to utilize your lure's action, it will be your left thumb controlling the spool and one of your fingers touching the line to detect bites. 

 

When it comes to dexterity, your left hand will have to do a lot more than your right with a right-hand retrieve reel. It's the righties using right-hand retrieve reels, casting with their right, who are odd. 

[Fishingmickey]

58 minutes ago, HogsNHawgs said:

 

I'm an odd lefty too.  

 

 

I also fall into that odd lefty category. Cast with my left, reel with my right. I like it. No switching hands involved.

FM

 

On 4/21/2018 at 6:11 AM, Beetlebz said:

 

 

If I can't figure this out I might just switch everything over to the casitas. I have one and the side plate isn't an issue... I wouldn't be heart broken buying a few more 

Did you see that Academy had the Casitas on sale for $69? I suspect Father's day sale. Might still be good today.

 

[Beetlebz]

7 minutes ago, Fishingmickey said:

I also fall into that odd lefty category. Cast with my left, reel with my right. I like it. No switching hands involved.

FM

 

Did you see that Academy had the Casitas on sale for $69? I suspect Father's day sale. Might still be good today.

 

I still palm the reel with my left too, but it's not that awkward. To be honest after this thread a fellow forum member made me an offer on my casitas. I sold it off, replaced it with my tatula SV and I couldn't be happier. I used the money to buy another new tatula.... my collection only has one shimano left ?

[Chance_Taker4]

32 minutes ago, Beetlebz said:

I still palm the reel with my left too, but it's not that awkward. To be honest after this thread a fellow forum member made me an offer on my casitas. I sold it off, replaced it with my tatula SV and I couldn't be happier. I used the money to buy another new tatula.... my collection only has one shimano left ?

You made the best choice. I had split loyalties to Abu and the name that should not be spoken. I tried and Shimano Curado I and it strengthen my loyalties to them. However @fishnkamp posts about Daiwa made me give them a whirl and now most of my reels are Tatulas (Type R, CT, SV, 150 (I like how big it is because I have giant hands)). I have a couple gen 4 Revos and 3 1 and 3 Zs but my Tatulas are my work horses.

[MisterDeadeye]

1 hour ago, Fishingmickey said:

Did you see that Academy had the Casitas on sale for $69? I suspect Father's day sale. Might still be good today.

 

Both Academy and Amazon have it on sale for that price. It's weird too because it was on sale at both places for the same price a week and a half ago, then it was regular price, and now it's back on sale again. It makes me wonder if they know something I don't about what's going to happen at ICAST. 

 

$69 is the cheapest it's ever been on Amazon since it was released, and the first time it hit that was earlier this month during the first sale.

[new2BC4bass]

On 4/21/2018 at 2:33 PM, Beetlebz said:

Honestly the brakes are the reason I decided to switch to shimano after I bought my first casitas. Those SVS brakes are nearly idiot proof once you're in the right ballpark with only enough spool tension go minimize movement. I can pitch a country mile, then without touching a thing bomb a crank bait out of sight. Having only mag brakes means you still need some spool tension  (or a pro thumb which I lack) to keep the spool docile. My casitas is spooled with mono and it's my topwater reel, finesse bottom contact  (t-rigs and finesse jigs), chatterbait reel and swimbait reel. I can bomb a belly weighted swim bait out of sight and then without touching the brakes throw a bulky chatterbait or c-rig just as far. It will be hard for me to concede that regular mag brakes work just as well but perhaps I'd be doing myself a favor to find out. Diawa reels are always coming up in eBay sales. 

My Diawa SV spool reels are set with just a tad of side-to-side play.  My other Diawa reels are set nearly as loose.  I definitely don't have the thumb control most of you guys have.  I probably use more brakes than most, but I feel this method is better for distance.  If I backlash, it is because I did something wrong.

On 4/21/2018 at 5:14 PM, BaitFinesse said:

Try moving your hand off the reel, onto the rod grip and placing your index finger behind the rod' s trigger when casting.  Also the Daiwa reels with Magforce Z or Air Brake are not standard mag reels.  There is a centrifugal componets to the mag braking. They're actually more easy to dial in and set and forget than a Shimano SVS.  

My Shimanos are older reels.  I had more trouble dialing in my 51Es than many of my Daiwas.

 

I talked to a guy unloading his boat.  He had a cheaper baitcast reel that he didn't use anymore because he said he would make 4 or 5 casts and then backlash.  I handed him my 50th Anniversary Zillion, RX7 Rainshadow 7' MHF, 12# Elite, 1/2 oz. spinnerbait after adding just a bit more spool tension.  A few minutes later he asked me, "How do you backlash this thing?"  Told him to back off on the brakes.  Said he already had.

 

I think a lot of it is what you are used to using.  I've said it before....I set brakes at 3 and adjusted spool tension fairly loose when I took my Primmus out of the box.  Never touched it afterwards.  Until my last visit it is the only reel I have taken to Florida with me that did not need any minor adjustments to control backlashes.  My reels require some minor adjusting because I am forced to change my casting stroke there.  Some other reels I have taken include Zillion, Patriarch XT, Gen1 STX, Purple Alphas, tuned Alphas F, Curado 51E, Curado 201E7, older Trion, Helios Air, Helios, Excense DC, tuned TD-Z 105H, tuned Airy Red, SV 103.

 

The Excense DC is the only other reel that didn't need minor adjustments.  Probably wouldn't have needed to adjust my T3 1016, but I was keeping it as a back-up reel.  The 3D braking system is great.

[MisterDeadeye]

2 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

When it comes to dexterity the turning of the handle on a baitcast reel is the most strenuous task.  It takes a lot to make continuous and rapid small circles with the hand while grasping with the index and thumb.  This is why it is common see reels with the handle on the right as most  people are right hand dominate.

 

For those who have the dexterity to use either left or right retrieve the prefference largely boils down to nationality.  In other words USA vs Everyone else.  In the US it is preferable to both cast and retrieve baitcast reels with your dominate hand to make use of the dexterity in that hand to perform both tasks.  US anglers commonly grab the rod handle when casting and place the index finger behind the rod's trigger making for no difference in time spent between switching hands to cast right and palm left vs casting right and palming right.  Both need to move their hands from casting position to the palming position.

 

Outside of the US it is common to reel with your non dominate hand.  It is also common to cast while palming the reel by having 2 fingers in front of the rod's trigger when casting.  Doing this places the reels handle close to the knuckles and can make it difficult to cast right handed with a right hand retrieve reel so left is commonly prefered.  Reels with handles on the non dominate side allow you to cast with your dominate hand while palming the reel without smacking into the reels drag star or handle and allow you to quickly transition from casting to palming because you cast with the same fingers In front of the rod trigger as you do when palming the reel.

 

I would argue that the US way of doing it is superior as it allows you to use the dominate hand with the greatest dexterity to perform the two most strenuous tasks but the rest of the world must be on to something  I also see no merit in casting with any more than one finger in front of the rods trigger.  Yes you can transition from casting to palming slightly more quickly but the palming of the reel when casting creates an additional set problems such as the opening of the side plate when casting as we see in this thread.  I also don't believe that it is advantageous to hold the rod with your dominate hand when palming the reel.  You are grasping the rod in an non dominate underhand cupping motion with your hand wrapped around the reel.  If you were to grab the rod blank in a overhand dominate grip with the reel suspended below such as on a spinning rod then the use of a left hand spinning reel makes sense.  The suspension of a spinning reel below the rod also make it easier to turn the reels handle with your non dominate hand by rotating at the elbow and using your forearm and wrist to make small circles with the hand unlike a baitcast reel where the forearm is kept rigid and the small circles of the hand are made by rotating at the wrist requiring greater dexterity.

 

Tl:dr U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A 

Maybe it's because I play a lot of video games, but the handle is easier for me. I can't write right handed, or do anything else with intricate movements like moving certain types of food around in a pan, but a constant circle is easy to grasp(no pun intended). It's still weird, don't get me wrong, I'll always move my spinning reel handles to the right side because it's more comfortable.

 

I've never put much thought into exactly how I'm holding my rod and reel, where my fingers are, etc, but I guess I do choke up on the reel a bit with most of my fingers ahead of the trigger. For me anyway, the intricate wrist movements are with the cast -- flipping, avoiding grasses and overhanging trees, etc. Then, during the retrieve, navigating the rod tip around underwater structure, controlling the fish when necessary, bouncing plastics off the bottom without moving them too much, all of that involves the rod and my dominant hand.

 

Throughout the whole thing, the only instructions I need to tell my nondominant hand are to either speed up, slow down, or stop. When I was young, I only used spincast reels until I moved on to baitcasting, and I didn't touch a spinning reel until I used a friend's rig well into my teenage years. Every reel I used was right hand retrieve, and it always just made sense for me to cast with my left. As far as I'm concerned, there's no right or wrong answer here, but casting with your dominant hand, then moving the rod to your nondominant side so you can turn a handle with your dominant hand just seems suboptimal, looking from the outside.

[HogsNHawgs]

On 6/18/2018 at 11:43 AM, MisterDeadeye said:

What's odd about being left handed and casting with your left arm on a right-hand retrieve reel? Your left hand will be the one messing with the rod to utilize your lure's action, it will be your left thumb controlling the spool and one of your fingers touching the line to detect bites. 

 

When it comes to dexterity, your left hand will have to do a lot more than your right with a right-hand retrieve reel. It's the righties using right-hand retrieve reels, casting with their right, who are odd. 

I was always told that I needed a lefty reel because when I cast and pronate my arm the gears and handle should be pointing upward for "optimal" distance.  That's all B.S. cuz I can throw baits pretty far doing it the "wrong way" with my righty reel.

[MisterDeadeye]

9 minutes ago, HogsNHawgs said:

I was always told that I needed a lefty reel because when I cast and pronate my arm the gears and handle should be pointing upward for "optimal" distance.  That's all B.S. cuz I can throw baits pretty far doing it the "wrong way" with my righty reel.

That's an interesting thought. I keep my reel upright during my cast... I bet someone has done some kind of testing for this stuff, we just gotta find it.

[Beetlebz]

19 hours ago, MisterDeadeye said:

That's an interesting thought. I keep my reel upright during my cast... I bet someone has done some kind of testing for this stuff, we just gotta find it.

Yes, we have all done this testing every time we are on the water! If throwing off hand really limited your casting distance we would have noticed it, or the difference is so small that its unnoticeable. In my book that means it just don't matter bruh.

[Hulkster]

does the curado K have the same latch mechanism as the I model?

 

On the I model, there is an audible 'click' sound when you move the button forwards to close it.

 

If the side plate is not on properly (because the spool tension or drag set too high and its not allowing clearance) it might not be latching properly.

 

is this what happened?

 

 

[Beetlebz]

55 minutes ago, Hulkster said:

does the curado K have the same latch mechanism as the I model?

 

On the I model, there is an audible 'click' sound when you move the button forwards to close it.

 

If the side plate is not on properly (because the spool tension or drag set too high and its not allowing clearance) it might not be latching properly.

 

is this what happened?

 

 

Depends.... which one of us are you talking to lol

[MisterDeadeye]

4 hours ago, Beetlebz said:

Yes, we have all done this testing every time we are on the water! If throwing off hand really limited your casting distance we would have noticed it, or the difference is so small that its unnoticeable. In my book that means it just don't matter bruh.

You clearly don't understand the conversation I was having in the first place.

 

bruh

[Beetlebz]

On 6/22/2018 at 5:41 PM, MisterDeadeye said:

You clearly don't understand the conversation I was having in the first place.

 

bruh

I was referring to the part of the conversation where you were both musing about the orientation of the reel during the cast having an affect on the performance of the reel. Not the ergonomics of the reel and how it relates to dexterity which was moot and dreadfully off topic.