13 " Worm

[Wurming67]

What size and type of hook would you recommend for a 13" Gambler ribbon tail fishing it on braid  Texas rigged weighted ? Thanks!!!

[sully420]

#6 ewg or a owner beast i think its called.

[WRB]

13" ribbon tail isn't a big diameter body worm, it's basically a longer worm with a 8" long body. I prefer using Owner twist lock hooks, with braid the wide gap heavy wire hook, with mono the light wire hook in 6/0.

Tom

[Wurming67]

3 minutes ago, WRB said:

13" ribbon tail isn't a big diameter body worm, it's basically a longer worm with a 8" long body. I prefer using Owner twist lock hooks, with braid the wide gap heavy wire hook, with mono the light wire hook in 6/0.

Tom

Why do you prefer twist lock?

[WRB]

Just now, Wurming67 said:

Why do you prefer twist lock?

#5132 is the heavier and #5167 the lighter wire.

Why, the major probem with big worms is the head end slides down the hook during setting filling the gap with plastic and you miss getting a solid hook set.

CPS spring eliminates the worm body filling the hook gap by sliding down, it simply can't because the hook eye isn't in the soft plastic.

I use the #5167 6/0 for 13" Uptons straight tail worms that are 13" long worm bodies.

without any issues.

Tom

[Mike L]

21 minutes ago, WRB said:

13" ribbon tail isn't a big diameter body worm, it's basically a longer worm with a 8" long body. I prefer using Owner twist lock hooks, with braid the wide gap heavy wire hook, with mono the light wire hook in 6/0.

Tom

Ditto

 

 

 

 

Mike

[Jelvas]

For the 13" Gamblers i use the 11/0 Owner hooks:

 

 

You actually don´t need such large hooks as i also have the 7/0 that i use for the Zoom Ol Monsters and on the times that i tried them on the Gamblers the hook up ratio was the same. However i like having that big long hook for the 13"...  it´s a confidence thing.

[CroakHunter]

I like extra wide gap hooks for almost all my fishing. I prefer gamakatsu g-lock magnum hooks for anything over 10" and for 7" senkos

[davecon]

Have been using 5/0 J hooks with the little bend in them by Owner with 12 inch BPS worms for years with great success. Recently tried a 6/0 weighted wide gap with screw in. Seems to work just as well. Jury still out as the snook have started biting. Will try again next winter.

[Catt]

Offset hooks have longer shanks placing the hook point farther back in the worm.

 

 

[thinkingredneck]

3 hours ago, Catt said:

Offset hooks have longer shanks placing the hook point farther back in the worm.

 

 

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[Hook2Jaw]

17 hours ago, WRB said:

#5132 is the heavier and #5167 the lighter wire.

Why, the major probem with big worms is the head end slides down the hook during setting filling the gap with plastic and you miss getting a solid hook set.

CPS spring eliminates the worm body filling the hook gap by sliding down, it simply can't because the hook eye isn't in the soft plastic.

I use the #5167 6/0 for 13" Uptons straight tail worms that are 13" long worm bodies.

without any issues.

Tom

Tom, I've had success actually sliding the hook eye into the plastic and covering the knot as well.  Another added benefit has been I pick up less grass taking a bigger initial bite of worm and the places I fish are absolutely chock full of grass.

 

I've saved many Yamamoto senkos Texas rigging in this fashion, as the plastic often takes the path of least resistance and slides up the line akin to a line through swimbait.

[Wurming67]

Just saw a video on YouTube with Glenn fishing big worms on 3/0 EWG having no issues.

 

 

[WRB]

On April 17, 2018 at 6:16 AM, Hook2Jaw said:

Tom, I've had success actually sliding the hook eye into the plastic and covering the knot as well.  Another added benefit has been I pick up less grass taking a bigger initial bite of worm and the places I fish are absolutely chock full of grass.

 

I've saved many Yamamoto senkos Texas rigging in this fashion, as the plastic often takes the path of least resistance and slides up the line akin to a line through swimbait.

Tradional method of rigging a soft plastic Texas rigged worm for decades and it has worked for decades....the worm still slides down the hook shank into the hook bend.

I used this traditional rigging for decades successfully and unsuccessfully and believe the CPS spring style hooks offer a higher % of landing the bass.

Started using big worms back in the 60's with DeLong 12" straight tail worms, in the 70's with Manns 12" Sting Ray and Jelly worms trying every style of rigging and hooks over the years. My least favorite is the off set style, favoring #5103 straight shank round bend size 5/0, now using #5167 with good success.

Short hooks vs long hooks, considering Bill Murphy used size 1/0 Eagle Claw #181 bait hold hooks with big worms very successfully indicates bass strike big worms by the front end, Bill didn't like a hook with long shanks because the flex.

Peace,

Tom

 

[Catt]

Anglers who have problems keeping the plastic from sliding down aint rigging em right!

 

With straight shank hooks most anglers do not push up on the plastic before inserting the point back into the lure. They pull down on the plastic causing it to be overly tight between the eye & the point.Ya don't want a kink in the plastic but ya don't want overly tight either!

 

Ideally ya want the plastic to slide up the line on hook set not down into the bend.

 

If ya got flex in any type of hook the wire diameter is to small!

 

 

 

 

[WRB]

We do all kinds of tricks to keep the worm head from sliding; pegging with stiff mono line, rubber pegs-it's etc, etc,I guess we don't know how to rig worms. Forged hooks are the strong and we have great hooks today to select from.

Tom

 

[Wurming67]

Glenn used a piece of 40lb mono threaded thru the worm thru the eye hook smart idea or just get a hook with a keeper on it to prevent the worm from sliding down?

I was reading alot of pros prefer using straight shank with a keeper