Bullet Identification Wanted

[PECo]

I found this bullet in the Tonto National Forest, today. Would someone please identify it for me?

 

[frosty]

Do you have any way to get a diameter measurement? My guess is .45 ACP, but that’s just based on shape, without a diameter measurement it’s impossible to say for sure 

[Angry John]

Use a caliper or micrometer for a diameter and that will give you a solid answer.  If you have a good scale that might put you in the ball park.  Should weigh 240 grains ish.

[frosty]

Ok, using the ruler in the picture, it puts the diameter at 5/8”! That’s no .45 ACP. That’s over 15 millimeters, so I have no clue what that would be out of, other than a big gun!

[Russ E]

34 minutes ago, frosty said:

Ok, using the ruler in the picture, it puts the diameter at 5/8”! That’s no .45 ACP. That’s over 15 millimeters, so I have no clue what that would be out of, other than a big gun!

the only civilian gun I know that shoots a bullet that big is a muzzleloader.

the civil war era Enfield was 58 caliber.  they shot a lot of different bullets. 

here are a few of the bullets used. most of them had a hollow base like the ops pictur.e

 

 

[frosty]

8 minutes ago, Weedwhacker said:

the only civilian gun I know that shoots a bullet that big is a muzzleloader.

the civil war era Enfield was 58 caliber.  they shot a lot of different bullets. 

here are a few of the bullets used. most of them had a hollow base like the ops pictur.e

 

 

Yeah, I thought that to, but the second picture looks like it’s a jacketed bullet, of course it doesn’t look like a metal jacket either. I wonder if someone was deer hunting with a muzzleloader?

nevermind, I see what you’re saying about the hollow base, I couldn’t see it until you pointed it out 

[38 Super Fan]

1 hour ago, frosty said:

Ok, using the ruler in the picture, it puts the diameter at 5/8”! That’s no .45 ACP. That’s over 15 millimeters, so I have no clue what that would be out of, other than a big gun!

You're looking at the length of the bullet...not the diameter. A 5/8" diameter bullet would be a monster.

[frosty]

No, I’m looking at the diameter. I marked the diameter on a piece of paper and used the ruler the bullet is laying on to measure the diameter. 

5 hours ago, 38 Super Fan said:

You're looking at the length of the bullet...not the diameter. A 5/8" diameter bullet would be a monster.

You know what, you are right, I marked the wrong line, it’s under 1/2”. I’m back to my original guess of .45 ACP!

[je1946]

To do a proper and accurate measure you really need calipers and a scale.  I agree that to me its a 45 ACP

 

 

[PECo]

Thanks, guys. I was thinking it might be from an old muzzle loader, because there aren’t any rifling marks on it, but I also think it’s copper jacketed.

 

I found the bullet next to an interesting rock:

 

 

I’ll stop the the ranger station in Payson to see whether I need to put it back where I found it.

[desmobob]

Looks like a .45ACP hardball bullet to me...

 

Tight lines,

Bob

[kjfishman]

The rock an arrow head?

 

[PECo]

1 hour ago, kjfishman said:

The rock an arrow head?

 

I’m not sure. I thought it was just a nice piece of chert, but a buddy says it looks worked to him, which means it’s an artifact that mustn’t be removed from the site, because it’s on public land.

 

I’ll ask about it at the ranger station, tomorrow.

[PECo]

The Bureau of Land Management defines artifacts as, “objects made or used by humans.” Artifacts cannot be removed from public lands.

 

I stopped by the Payson Ranger Station, today, to see whether I had to put the rock I found back where I found it. Although it might be an artifact, I found it in the middle of a forest that has been torn up by loggers and not near any archaeological sites, so the Ranger said I could keep it.

 

I think it’s a small knife or an arrowhead, but whether it’s an artifact or not, it’s a colorful chunk of chert.

 

 

 

[frosty]

It’s definitely cool looking, I thought it was flint. 

[PECo]

52 minutes ago, frosty said:

It’s definitely cool looking, I thought it was flint. 

Flint is a kind of chert, but really isn’t found in Arizona.

[frosty]

9 hours ago, PECo said:

Flint is a kind of chert, but really isn’t found in Arizona.

Cool, I never really hunted artifacts like that, heck I wouldn’t know where to start these days...

[Clinton john]

On 4/9/2018 at 5:54 PM, PECo said:

The Bureau of Land Management defines artifacts as, “objects made or used by humans.” Artifacts cannot be removed from public lands.

 

I stopped by the Payson Ranger Station, today, to see whether I had to put the rock I found back where I found it. Although it might be an artifact, I found it in the middle of a forest that has been torn up by loggers and not near any archaeological sites, so the Ranger said I could keep it.

 

I think it’s a small knife or an arrowhead, but whether it’s an artifact or not, it’s a colorful chunk of chert.

 

 

 

That looks like a fishing spear point that gets found from time to time around zwolle.

[MickD]

On 4/8/2018 at 2:53 AM, frosty said:

it’s under 1/2”. I’m back to my original guess of .45 ACP!

It is just a little under 1 inch in diameter.  If you scale the diameter and compare that dimension to the scale that shows the length to be about 1 1/2 inches, you get a diameter of just under 1 inch.  And as mentioned before, no rifling marks.  I'm no expert, but it's a lot larger in diameter than .45.  Unless I'm missing something.

[frosty]

26 minutes ago, MickD said:

It is just a little under 1 inch in diameter.  If you scale the diameter and compare that dimension to the scale that shows the length to be about 1 1/2 inches, you get a diameter of just under 1 inch.  And as mentioned before, no rifling marks.  I'm no expert, but it's a lot larger in diameter than .45.  Unless I'm missing something.

It’s only 3/4” long, just under 1/2” in diameter using the ruler in the picture. I originally marked it but accidentally marked the shadow line which is what threw my measurements off so much. 

[MickD]

Yes, you are right.  I did it all wrong.  Never mind. :-)