Buffdaddy54 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 Went out today for first time this year and had some issues with backlash. I set up my baitcaster correctly, tension knob, magnetics,and centerfugal brakes, but would on occasion get a birdsnest before lure ever hit the water. No wind to speak of and I did not hit anything. I switch to my spinning outfit and had the same thing happen. Using braid on both. Then switched to another baitcaster and had no issues. What gives???? 3 minutes ago, Buffdaddy54 said: Went out today for first time this year and had some issues with backlash. I set up my baitcaster correctly, tension knob, magnetics,and centerfugal brakes, but would on occasion get a birdsnest before lure ever hit the water. No wind to speak of and I did not hit anything. I switch to my spinning outfit and had the same thing happen. Using braid on both. Then switched to another baitcaster and had no issues. What gives???? Was it because of the braid? Quote
TylerT123 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 What # test were you using? Was it twisted or dug in? Quote
Super User new2BC4bass Posted April 3, 2018 Super User Posted April 3, 2018 Only time you should have a digging in problem with that line is after making a few casts with a lure that doesn't keep much tension on the line when retrieving. The line winds up being too loose on the spool. I would make a long cast, pull off more line, and keep tension on it while reeling it in. That should eliminate the digging in. I have to do it every so often with lures like an unweighted worm. I use 40# braid. Quote
LionHeart Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 You had back lash with spinning gear? Congrats! 2 Quote
Super User new2BC4bass Posted April 3, 2018 Super User Posted April 3, 2018 2 hours ago, LionHeart said: You had back lash with spinning gear? Congrats! I've always considered myself an expert caster. I can backlash any baitcast reel. Spinning reels are pretty tough to backlash. So I second the congrats. OP, sounds like you have some major line twist with the braid on the spinning reel. Certain lures can twist the ever lovin' out of even braid if tied without some kind of swivel. Ask me how I know. 1 Quote
Buffdaddy54 Posted April 3, 2018 Author Posted April 3, 2018 41 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said: I've always considered myself an expert caster. I can backlash any baitcast reel. Spinning reels are pretty tough to backlash. So I second the congrats. OP, sounds like you have some major line twist with the braid on the spinning reel. Certain lures can twist the ever lovin' out of even braid if tied without some kind of swivel. Ask me how I know. Alright Lionheart and New2BC. I forgot everything is taken literally here, what I should have said was that the line on the spinning would tangle off the spool! There are you happy now Quote
Super User TOXIC Posted April 3, 2018 Super User Posted April 3, 2018 What baits were you throwing on each setup? Spinning rod definitely sounds like line twist. Quote
Super User Choporoz Posted April 3, 2018 Super User Posted April 3, 2018 Are you using a leader? Quote
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted April 3, 2018 BassResource.com Administrator Posted April 3, 2018 Yup, you have line twist. Braid isn't the miracle cure for line twist like some people would like to believe. The real cure, is spooling it on correctly, and then rigging lures correctly, and then using the reel correctly. The last one is many a cause of line twist that few people realize. Here's a video about rigging lures and using the reel correctly. 1 Quote
Super User NYWayfarer Posted April 3, 2018 Super User Posted April 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, Buffdaddy54 said: Alright Lionheart and New2BC. I forgot everything is taken literally here, what I should have said was that the line on the spinning would tangle off the spool! There are you happy now That happens when there is too much line on the spool of the spinning reel. If you fill it all the way or to close to the lip of the spool the lines spills right off. The baitcaster problem you are having sounds like a high speed spool spin issue. I know you said you set up your baitcaster correctly, tension knob, magnetics,and centerfugal brakes but you might want to tighten the tension knob a bit more and see if that solves the issue. I have two reels with hyper speed spools that I have to use the tension knob to control 1 2 Quote
Buffdaddy54 Posted April 3, 2018 Author Posted April 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Choporoz said: Are you using a leader? Yes Quote
Super User Tywithay Posted April 3, 2018 Super User Posted April 3, 2018 If your baitcaster was just sitting all winter, I would recommend flushing and re-oiling the bearings. A lot of dust settles on stuff and the oil is probably not as viscous as it originally was. That can throw off the mechanics of the spool. Quote
Super User Choporoz Posted April 3, 2018 Super User Posted April 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Choporoz said: Are you using a leader? 38 minutes ago, Buffdaddy54 said: Yes I asked about leader because it if tags aren't trimmed very close, it doesn't take much wind for line to catch on the tags during a cast -- in my mind, the tags nick a guide on the way out and slow just a little...while the line coming up behind catches up and loops, knots and otherwise creates issues. This seems to be most likely to happen with very light braid, sloppy knots and spinning rods. But, tag ends of leader knots can cause problems with any configuration. Quote
LionHeart Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 On 4/3/2018 at 9:06 AM, Buffdaddy54 said: Alright Lionheart and New2BC. I forgot everything is taken literally here, what I should have said was that the line on the spinning would tangle off the spool! There are you happy now Wasn't trying to be a smart allic. Well, I was, but not in a bad way. I have used spinning rods my whole life and never had what are describe, so I was, and still am a little perplexed. I've had line jump off the spool if I over fill it with flouro or mono, but never tangle up. The only thing I can imagine is that the spool has too much line on it, which would still be odd if using braid. A5s for line twist, my goodness I think it would have to be pretty gnarly to cause what you describe. I'd put the offending reel on a different rod and sling it a few times. Misaligned or bent guides maybe? Quote
Super User new2BC4bass Posted April 4, 2018 Super User Posted April 4, 2018 I took your comment in the same vain as the one I gave you. Tongue in cheek. A little humor hurts no one and occasionally livens things up. The emoticons should be enough for anyone to realize I wasn't being serious. I don't know about too much line. I seldom use a spinning reel any more. This year I shipped 3 rods to Florida. One was a spinning rod. The reel I used had braid filled to the lip. I used it every time out to throw weightless worms into slop because I didn't bring a baitcast with me this year that was already set up with braid. Never had a problem. I had some braid with me, and had planned to change the line out on one of the bc reels, but was too lazy and the spinning reel was working fine. I keep another spinning rod there that hardly ever gets used when visiting. The spool is filled the same way. I gave that combo to my brother-in-law before coming home as he only fishes spinning and did not have a MH rod. I'll have to remember to ask if he had any problem with line coming off the spool when it shouldn't. Three years ago I got enough line twist in 4-5 hours of fishing with the same lure that the braid on my baitcast reel had to be changed. And this was with 2 other rods with me being used on occasion so maybe 3 hours of actual fishing with this rod/reel. 1 Quote
Buffdaddy54 Posted April 4, 2018 Author Posted April 4, 2018 3 hours ago, LionHeart said: Wasn't trying to be a smart allic. Well, I was, but not in a bad way. I have used spinning rods my whole life and never had what are describe, so I was, and still am a little perplexed. I've had line jump off the spool if I over fill it with flouro or mono, but never tangle up. The only thing I can imagine is that the spool has too much line on it, which would still be odd if using braid. A5s for line twist, my goodness I think it would have to be pretty gnarly to cause what you describe. I'd put the offending reel on a different rod and sling it a few times. Misaligned or bent guides maybe? No offence taken on your post. Little sarcasm never hurt anyone I didn't think I over spooled my line but I guess anything is possible. I'm trying to get away from spinning gear for most applications as I want to become a lot more proficient with a baitcaster. Quote
Super User new2BC4bass Posted April 4, 2018 Super User Posted April 4, 2018 Be extremely careful. It is a slippery slope. 1 Quote
Buffdaddy54 Posted April 4, 2018 Author Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, new2BC4bass said: Be extremely careful. It is a slippery slope. Tell me about it! I've bought 2 baitcasters in the last 2 months along with 4 spools of braid. (Grateful KastKings stuff is affordable!) OR MAYBE NOT! Quote
AggieBassin10 Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, new2BC4bass said: Be extremely careful. It is a slippery slope. Amen to that one! Once the Bait Monkey starts, it's hard to stop him Quote
Super User WRB Posted April 4, 2018 Super User Posted April 4, 2018 You need to train your thumb. Tom Quote
Buffdaddy54 Posted April 4, 2018 Author Posted April 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, WRB said: You need to train your thumb. Tom Working on it. Quote
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