Yo Zuri Hybrid....

[MichaelJ7]

So I know there have already been multiple threads on this in the past but I have a few questions. I have always used Seaguar Invizx on my cranking rods and spinnerbait rod. I’m thinking about switching to a copolymer like YZH. Going off of line diameter maybe a 10# test? Or maybe 8#? What do you all think? And how would you compare YZH to the Hi-Seas Grand Slam copoly? I typically ran 10# on cranks and 12# on spinnerbaits. 

[J Francho]

Why would you downgrade your line?

[MichaelJ7]

10 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Why would you downgrade your line?

Do you mean from Seaguar to Yo Zuri, or pound test?

[Darren.]

Just speaking of YZH, I think of 8# as actually 10# given

it's diameter.

 

So I feel pretty comfortable going after big bass with YZH

from 6-10# test. Set drag properly, etc., and they'll pull

in a lot of fish with many different techniques.

[J Francho]

15 minutes ago, MichaelJ7 said:

Do you mean from Seaguar to Yo Zuri, or pound test?

The former.  I can't think of anything that YZ does better than Invisx.  Don't get me wrong, it's a great all purpose line, but I won't be replacing my Invisx for the applications you describe any time soon.

[Turkey sandwich]

7 minutes ago, J Francho said:

The former.  I can't think of anything that YZ does better than Invisx.  Don't get me wrong, it's a great all purpose line, but I won't be replacing my Invisx for the applications you describe any time soon.

In my experience, I'd disagree.  While InvisX handles better as a main line, is more supple, and has lower visibility, it does not hold hold up to abrasion nearly as well as the Hybrid.  I keep spools of both in similar diameters on the kayak with me 90% of the time and like both lines, only for different things.  Dragging the bottom or fishing anywhere with heavy rocks, etc, InvisX has failed on me much, much more frequently than Hybrid.  If I'm fishing clear water and/or leaning toward more finesse fishing, the InvisX is awesome.  For crankbaits, I'm using a Hybrid leader almost 100% of the time.

[MichaelJ7]

8 minutes ago, J Francho said:

The former.  I can't think of anything that YZ does better than Invisx.  Don't get me wrong, it's a great all purpose line, but I won't be replacing my Invisx for the applications you describe any time soon.

I was just considering giving it a try as a cost saving technique to see how the two compared since they were moving baits that got reaction strikes and the fish wouldn’t have time to study the bait. I will still use Seaguar Invizx and Abrazx on several of my rods. Jerkbait rods, senko rod, spinning and leaders on my 7 braid rods. Just looking for experience from others...

[J Francho]

2 minutes ago, Turkey sandwich said:

Dragging the bottom or fishing anywhere with heavy rocks

He's talking about spinnerbaits and cranks.  In both cases, the line is protected.

[MichaelJ7]

2 minutes ago, Turkey sandwich said:

In my experience, I'd disagree.  While InvisX handles better as a main line, is more supple, and has lower visibility, it does not hold hold up to abrasion nearly as well as the Hybrid.  I keep spools of both in similar diameters on the kayak with me 90% of the time and like both lines, only for different things.  Dragging the bottom or fishing anywhere with heavy rocks, etc, InvisX has failed on me much, much more frequently than Hybrid.  If I'm fishing clear water and/or leaning toward more finesse fishing, the InvisX is awesome.  For crankbaits, I'm using a Hybrid leader almost 100% of the time.

Are you using braid as a main line to hybrid leader?

[Turkey sandwich]

1 minute ago, MichaelJ7 said:

Are you using braid as a main line to hybrid leader?

yes.  generally 832.  I also prefer snaps vs tying direct to key rings on my crankbaits, if that matters.

 

2 minutes ago, J Francho said:

He's talking about spinnerbaits and cranks.  In both cases, the line is protected.

In boulder strewn rivers, or water with lots of wood/pilings/etc, that line is still going to come into contact with nasty stuff and isn't likely going to sit in place long enough for the line's low visibility/suppleness to effect the presentation.  I think there are definitely worse choices for crankbaits than InvisX, but InvisX is definitely far from my first choice for abrasion resistance.  

[MichaelJ7]

1 minute ago, Turkey sandwich said:

yes.  generally 832.  I also prefer snaps vs tying direct to key rings on my crankbaits, if that matters.

I use snaps on my mid-deep cranks as well. How long of a leader do you use? I’ve done this with leaders of 15-20’ before

[Turkey sandwich]

1 minute ago, MichaelJ7 said:

I use snaps on my mid-deep cranks as well. How long of a leader do you use? I’ve done this with leaders of 15-20’ before

15-20' is super long.  On casting and spinning gear, I really try to keep the knot off of the spool.  On average, my leaders on crank bait rods are generally no more than 4-6', and are rarely over 8' for anything other than maybe a Carolina rig.

[haggard]

6 hours ago, J Francho said:

Why would you downgrade your line?

 Just curious (as I'm thinking of going from various lb test of mono to YZH 6# (spinners) and 12# (baitcasters) in the name of simplifying. What's the tradeoff with hybrid? Only experience here so far is mono.

 

edit.....on second thought I replied without first reading all the other replies... going back to catch up....

 

 

[Montanaro]

I like yhz a lot and have switched my crankbait rod to 8# yhz after trying various lines including sunline reaction FC.  I like reaction a lot and I'm sure sunline crank is great too, but for a lot less I can get a large spool of YHZ for same price or less.  YHZ has tested out to be one of the least stretching lines (mono, copoly, and flouro) and I've tested that out setting hooks on 4 pound+ bass in heavy laydowns.

 

There are few lines that compare

[MichaelJ7]

15 minutes ago, Montanaro said:

I like yhz a lot and have switched my crankbait rod to 8# yhz after trying various lines including sunline reaction FC.  I like reaction a lot and I'm sure sunline crank is great too, but for a lot less I can get a large spool of YHZ for same price or less.  YHZ has tested out to be one of the least stretching lines (mono, copoly, and flouro) and I've tested that out setting hooks on 4 pound+ bass in heavy laydowns.

 

There are few lines that compare

Do you use it as mainline or as a leader on your reaction bite presentations?

[J Francho]

13 hours ago, haggard said:

 Just curious (as I'm thinking of going from various lb test of mono to YZH 6# (spinners) and 12# (baitcasters) in the name of simplifying. What's the tradeoff with hybrid? Only experience here so far is mono.

 

edit.....on second thought I replied without first reading all the other replies... going back to catch up....

 

 

YZ would definitely be an upgrade.  Be sure to match up diameters, not stated pound test, to what you're used to running.

[MichaelJ7]

13 hours ago, haggard said:

 Just curious (as I'm thinking of going from various lb test of mono to YZH 6# (spinners) and 12# (baitcasters) in the name of simplifying. What's the tradeoff with hybrid? Only experience here so far is mono.

 

edit.....on second thought I replied without first reading all the other replies... going back to catch up....

 

 

The only rod I put mono on is my top water rod for lighter baits. Sexy Dawgs, whopper plopper 90’s, POP-R’s, buzz baits. 

[RB 77]

I use YZH for quite a few techniques. I like the line quite a bit. Unless you are specifically looking to save money, not much of a reason to switch unless you are looking for a tad bit more "stretch" for treble hook reaction baits. Even that might be negligible at best.

[Team9nine]

Trade offs? Here's a different take, and just my personal opinion. By trying to combine two different material types to get the best of both worlds, in reality, you end up with a line that compromises on nearly every attribute and excels at none of them compared to the respective parent materials.

 

By most testing data I've seen, YZH is just a "middle of the pack" line. The positive spin to that is that it makes for a good all-around line that does a lot of things decent, and is pretty popular because of that. The negative is that if you are looking for a particular characteristic in a line, you can likely do better going with some other line made solely from one of the parent materials.

 

For example, to the OP's original point, if cost is most important, then its hard to argue YZH vs. InvizX, as InvizX is nearly 4X as expensive. However, you could easily go with a proven all-around line like Big Game and beat the price of YZH by another 4X.

[MichaelJ7]

7 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Trade offs? Here's a different take, and just my personal opinion. By trying to combine two different material types to get the best of both worlds, in reality, you end up with a line that compromises on nearly every attribute and excels at none of them compared to the respective parent materials.

 

By most testing data I've seen, YZH is just a "middle of the pack" line. The positive spin to that is that it makes for a good all-around line that does a lot of things decent, and is pretty popular because of that. The negative is that if you are looking for a particular characteristic in a line, you can likely do better going with some other line made solely from one of the parent materials.

 

For example, to the OP's original point, if cost is most important, then its hard to argue YZH vs. InvizX, as InvizX is nearly 4X as expensive. However, you could easily go with a proven all-around line like Big Game and beat the price of YZH by another 4X.

I agree with this point. And yes I was just looking to cut some expenses because for example, I don’t use a spinnerbait as much as other techniques and I hate Mono except for topwater. I am unsure of how I am going to go about it this year but I was thinking braid to 8lb YZH leader of a longer length. Invizx is very stretchy as well. So I am uncertain how much of a difference the two lines would matter when it comes to spinnerbaits, squarebills, and other cranks with embrace being a moving reaction strike. I am not even considering this line for any other techniques. 

[Montanaro]

I use YHZ hybrid as a main line on my topwater/jerkbait rod and mainline on my cranking rod.

 

I honestly use braid for everything else.

[desmobob]

I like InvisX but a lot of areas I fish are infested with Zebra Mussels or have a lot of sharp rock, like shale.  InvisX gets shredded in a hurry. (I use AbrazX for leader on my braid lines.)  I think YZH is more durable (and cheaper) and it handles fairly well.  I use it as the main line on a few of my set-ups.

 

Tight lines,

Bob

[JDV]

I use 10lb Yozuri hybrid on my dobyns 705cb crankbait rod and am pretty happy with it on a Daiwa Tatula CT Type-R reel.  It has been plenty strong and manageable on a baitcaster.  I've actually had more problems with the 6lb on spinning gear. There are charts that tell you the strength, but I have done countless real world tests, tying onto my fish scale and slowly pulling until breaking and I have never gotten close to these charts strength listings.   https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RlgAAOSw9mpZ77pN/s-l1600.jpg

4lb lists as 8.5lb breakage, but it always breaks under 7 for me with a palomar or trilene knot.
6lb lists as 11.9lb breakage, but breaks around 9 for me.
haven't tested 10lb but I'd suspect it is closer to 14-15 and not the claimed 16.5.

Either way that should be plenty strong for cranks and the abrasion resistance seems to be good as it is thicker than your average stated 10lb line (bc it isn't actually 10lb line...)

[wordty]

On 3/2/2018 at 8:47 AM, MichaelJ7 said:

The only rod I put mono on is my top water rod for lighter baits. Sexy Dawgs, whopper plopper 90’s, POP-R’s, buzz baits. 

What pound line mono do you use for these applications?

[K1500]

I use lots of YZH. 12 pound on baitcasters, 10 pound on heavy spinning, 6 on light spinning gear. I like it a lot and it is spring for its ‘rated’ weight and does pretty good with abrasion.