Guides

[clayton86]

I’ve always struggled with picking guides with all my past builds I’ve just went with micro wave kits that had it all planed out for me.

 

I’ve been looking at the Fuji KR concept and want to try it on my next build. 

 

I already have the blank and reel seat Scott is building the grip for me but I still need guides.

 

The blank is a phenix USB790H swimbait blank that a bunch of guys recommended on swimbait universe. I went with the alps textouch seat as well. 

 

For guides though I don’t know where to start all I know is I want titanium. I was thinking about Fuji KW double foot titanium torzite size 10 for a stripper guide then the KR concept calls for 5.5 next and I would use the KW again but then it calls for 4s which the KW doesn’t go down to. Would the fuji KB work for running guides or should I stick with double foot being it’s a heavy swimbait build. 

 

I looked at a buddies LDC rod and they use a 8 followed by all 5s double foot. 

 

Or should I go a complete different approach? 

[Angry John]

One of the most important factors is not discussed, and that is line choice.  On a sb setup lines are large and that might not be an issue unless you plan on running a leader knot threw the guides.  No knot a small guide train would be good.  Double foot with an 8 Oz bait seems like the right plan.  

[clayton86]

Straight flouro more than likely 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

The KR concept is for spinning guides, a rapid choke similar to the Microwave setup. I zero advantage in the microwave set for a casting rod. My default on a bass rod is a size 6 double foot stripper followed by a 5 then 4.5 runners. A few runners will be belly guides. The step down in size is for visual effect it has no bearing on performance. If the reel is high or wide I might go to an 8 stripper and push it out a little. I start at 19" from reel face then static test. On this heavier rod I might go 8/6/5.5. No need for double foot all the way. 

[Angry John]

At 8:40 is the casting section.

[S Hovanec]

The KBs are a very stout guide and I wouldn't be afraid to use them all the way to the tip.  I actually have done that on a XH flipping stick I built for someone last year.  I think I used KW6 for the first 4 til the line transitioned to the underside of the blank, then KB4 to the tip.

[clayton86]

2 hours ago, Angry John said:

At 8:40 is the casting section.

I’ve watched that video like 4 times tonight. 

 

2 hours ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

The KR concept is for spinning guides, a rapid choke similar to the Microwave setup. I zero advantage in the microwave set for a casting rod. My default on a bass rod is a size 6 double foot stripper followed by a 5 then 4.5 runners. A few runners will be belly guides. The step down in size is for visual effect it has no bearing on performance. If the reel is high or wide I might go to an 8 stripper and push it out a little. I start at 19" from reel face then static test. On this heavier rod I might go 8/6/5.5. No need for double foot all the way. 

I plan on using a revo toro winch for a reel so it would be wide. 

 

Also plan on doing it as a spiral wrap. 

[MickD]

Agree with the recommendation to use KB's all the way for runners.  The KT's have such a small foot it is easy to imagine that they might not hold up to your heavy duty plans.  The KB foot is much more substantial.

 

I see no advantage for this use in going really small, no need for small guides for sensitivity, weight advantage, or possible casting distance advantages.  I would use KB 6 runners all the way to the tip .  That way if you change your mind and want to use braid with a knot, your system will pass any reasonable knot cleanly.

 

This seems to me to be an ideal application for a spiral wrapped rod.  The simple spiral is a piece of cake and works as well as any other spiral designs.

 

For max strength of the wrap/epoxy/guide bond I would consider not using CP.  Some will argue that CP does not compromise strength of the system, but I find that guides wrapped without CP really come off hard.  Test your wrap on a test section with alcohol to see the approx color you'll have without CP.