Enormous size differences.

[WRB]

4 minutes ago, BASS302 said:

@WRB,

I read somewhere that the DVL FLMB were from Lake Hodges.  Is that true?  I thought that most of the stockings of FLMB in CA came from the FLMB in Upper Otay lake.

I don't recall where Mike Giusti said the FLMB came from that he stocked in DVL, only that they were F3-5?.  Both Hodges and Miramar had the original fingerlings from Florida, most went into Upper Otay, however it already had a NLMB population so they more then likely became a mix of pure FLMB and F-1's over the years being stocked all over California.

Tom

[J Francho]

He probably meant 3rd, 4th, or 5th gen. Fish from a cross. 35 gens would take 70-100+ years to complete. 

[Smalls]

I did not expect this to become the topic that it did! Thank you for the responses. 

 

From what I gathered, it seems like strain and the fact that our water is hard for a good chunk of our year has most to do with it. 

 

I guess we’re just stuck with our “dinks” up here in the thumb. 

[A-Jay]

On 1/15/2018 at 1:02 AM, Smalls said:

I’ve seen the videos, read the articles. Guys down in California are catching these behemoths on trout colored swimbaits. They stock their lakes with trout for the bass to get nice and fat on. Their average bass is on point with our (MI) state record!

 

But! We have trout, too! Plenty of em! I imagine the bass here, just as they do in California, snack on them as well.

 

So why is it that the bass down there grow so much bigger? Are they not eating the same things? Does our cold, cold winter play a part in it? 

 

There’s an abundance of information on why California bass grow so large, and plenty of videos and other information on fishing down there. But I have a hard time finding any information on fishing my lakes at all, let alone any info on why our fish don’t grow to these legendary sizes. 

 

On 1/24/2018 at 5:23 AM, Smalls said:

 

I guess we’re just stuck with our “dinks” up here in the thumb. 

I do the vast majority of my bass fishing in Michigan as well. (Otsego County)

 

It's common knowledge that this state's green bass population would have a hard time challenging several southern states when talking about max size.

 

However when considering sheer numbers and size, Michigan's brown bass population takes a back seat to no one. 

So it's not all bad. 

A-Jay

 

[Smalls]

Those are some fine lookin hogs! 

 

I don't seem to find that many smallmouth, but when I do, they’re plump  little buggers. 

[WRB]

On January 20, 2018 at 9:02 AM, J Francho said:

He probably meant 3rd, 4th, or 5th gen. Fish from a cross. 35 gens would take 70-100+ years to complete. 

Bass spawn every year the live as adults with a different bass, the individual adults genes don't change but each years spawn has different genes. 1 adult bass could produce 12 different generic bass year classes in 36 years.

Tom

[Team9nine]

7 hours ago, WRB said:

Bass spawn every year the live as adults with a different bass, the individual adults genes don't change but each years spawn has different genes. 1 adult bass could produce 12 different generic bass year classes in 36 years.

Tom

Since the adult genes never change, all those year classes you mention only end up as F1 or F1b's. You would never truly get 3rd, 4th, 5th generation, etc. until their respective offspring mated and created the next generation...kind of like if I had 3 kids every year with 3 different women   A lot of gene spreading going on, but it's still only 2 generations of family until those kids have kids of their own.

[J Francho]

8 hours ago, WRB said:

1 adult bass could produce 12 different generic bass year classes in 36 years.

Year classes are not generations.  I don't think many bass live for 36 years either. 

 

See what T9 wrote for the rest.

 

BTW, did everyone know that the "F" in "F1" stands for filial?  In other words, sons or daughters.

[BassNJake]

I knew I should have paid better attention in biology class

[12poundbass]

27 minutes ago, J Francho said:

BTW, did everyone know that the "F" in "F1" stands for filial?  In other words, sons or daughters.

Thanks J I'm winning trivia night for sure now!  ?

[Turtle135]

What I am curious about was if "Dottie" and Manabu Kurita's bass were actually intergrades and not pure Florida Strain Largemouth. George Perry's fish would likely have been an intergrade.

 

[WRB]

2 hours ago, Team9nine said:

Since the adult genes never change, all those year classes you mention only end up as F1 or F1b's. You would never truly get 3rd, 4th, 5th generation, etc. until their respective offspring mated and created the next generation...kind of like if I had 3 kids every year with 3 different women   A lot of gene spreading going on, but it's still only 2 generations of family until those kids have kids of their own.

What I am saying is every 3 years the off spring have "kids" , a new generation every 3 years, over 36 years that is 12 generations.

Tom

[J Francho]

You can't assume they stick to the right generation. 

[WRB]

1 hour ago, Turtle135 said:

What I am curious about was if "Dottie" and Manabu Kurita's bass were actually intergrades and not pure Florida Strain Largemouth. George Perry's fish would likely have been an intergrade.

 

From what I read Dottie wasn't genetically examined, she measured and weighed, more then likely a F1.  Kurita bass was examined and listed as pure Florida strain LMB. 

Perry bass can be whatever you want it to be, nothing has been authenticated.

Tom

 

4 minutes ago, J Francho said:

You can't assume they stick to the right generation. 

Agree it's hypothetical, we agree there are multiple generations with both northern and Florida strain being integrated multiple times over 50 years in the same lakes until the genetics flatten out and that is where Califirnia is today, few if any northern strain and unknown strains of Florida bass.

Tom

[Catt]

Past genetic research focused mainly on the female but the ShareLunker program is showing the equally important role of the male's genetics.

 

2014 Nacogdoches Texas, a lake record of 12.54 lbs was caught on Lake Naconiche; genetic research showed some interesting facts.

 

The mother was ShareLunker #370; 14.28 lbs from Falcon Lake.

The grandmother was ShareLunker #187; 14.05 lbs from Lake Fork.

The great-grandmother was ShareLunker #9; 16.13 lbs from Gibbons Creek.

Plus ShareLunker #305; 14.67 lbs from Lake Fork.

 

All 5 were from the same father; an almost 8 lb male.

 

[OCdockskipper]

16 minutes ago, Catt said:

All 5 were from the same father; an almost 8 lb male.

 

So this dude was reproducing with his great, great granddaughter? 

 

I think that was an episode on the original "X-Files".

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8 hours ago, J Francho said:

You can't assume they stick to the right generation. 

Specially in and around the TVA...