10lb Florida strain LMB equals?

[CroakHunter]

In your opinion, what size does a northern strain LMB, smallmouth, and spotted bass need to be to be comparable to a 10Lb FLMB? where i fish, we only have northern strain. So I would say a 7.5Lb would be equal to a 10Lb flmb. I cannot speak to the other 2 types as I have never seen or fished for these types of bass. Curious to hear what people say. 

[BASS302]

@CroakHunter,

In-Fisherman has the following charts for master angler:

 

 

So, Master Angler awards

FLM = 10

NLM = 6.5

SM  = 5 or 5.5 depending on region

SB  = 3 or 5 depending on region

 

 

[TnRiver46]

The biggest bass we have are F1 hybrids. They stock Florida strain every year and the native fish out breed/outcompete them. The first generation hybrid between the native bass x Florida strain are always the biggest. They took a whole bunch of the 8+ fish weighed in and like 99% of them were the first generation F1 hybrids. So here the true Florida strain fish aren't as big 

[roadwarrior]

Well, I think 14 & 15 lb bass are "competitive".

http://www.wcyb.com/news/tennessee/bass-caught-in-tennessee-comes-close-to-state-record/680175458

 

[TnRiver46]

16 minutes ago, roadwarrior said:

Well, I think 14 & 15 lb bass are "competitive".

http://www.wcyb.com/news/tennessee/bass-caught-in-tennessee-comes-close-to-state-record/680175458

 

14-15 lb  absolutely are competitive but I can almost guarantee that was an F1 first generation hybrid. I was just saying that the pure Florida strain aren't as big here, F1 are always huge

[Dwight Hottle]

Interesting topic. I have always felt that a 7lb smallie is the equivalent of a 10lb FLMB. Lots of people think it should a 6lb smallie but my catch rate tells me no. 

For northern strain bass a 7-8lber should be the equal to a 10lb FLMB. 

I don't have any experience with spots so I will decline on that one. 

[A-Jay]

I'll play ~ 

 

I'd say the LMB compared to SMB size Trophy fish comparison scale looks like this:

 

LMB    =    SMB

 7 - 9 lb      5lb

10 - 12lb     6lb

13lb            7lb

14 - 15        8lb

16lb +         9lb

A-Jay

 

[tkunk]

9 hours ago, BASS302 said:

@CroakHunter,

So, Master Angler awards

FLM = 10

NLM = 6.5

SM  = 5 or 5.5 depending on region

SB  = 3 or 5 depending on region

Something seems off with those smallmouth numbers. In some of the spring tournaments on Lake Michigan, you need to average about 5.5 lbs per smallmouth to win. As someone who fishes Lake Michigan, I'd actually say that 6's are common there that time of year. People do make a big deal about anything over 7, though, so that might help give people an idea of what's considered a big fish in region 5.

[TnRiver46]

Hey @A-Jay, wonder if they could isolate the DNA of Michigan-strain SMB??? And stock them all over the world?? "Be a lot cooler if they did!"

[A-Jay]

1 minute ago, TnRiver46 said:

Hey @A-Jay, wonder if they could isolate the DNA of Michigan-strain SMB??? And stock them all over the world?? "Be a lot cooler if they did!"

Big Water smb seem to have the capacity to grow big, super thick, deep & especially Tall body frames.

This allows them to get surprisingly heavy without being particularly long.

The term TANK is one I use - and I like that.

Fertility of the habitat (as well as an abundance of gobies) certainly helps.

A-Jay

[WRB]

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FLMB: 15 lbs, WR 22.31 lbs, Japan

NLMB: 10 lbs, TBD (16.2 lbs SC, 1949 state record)

Smallmouth: 6 lbs, WR 11 lbs 11oz, TN 

Spotted Bass, Alabama/Southern: 6 lbs, WR 10.8 lbs, CA

Spotted Bass, Kentucky/Northern: 3 lbs, TBD (5.5 lbs TX, 1966 state record)

 FLMB vs NLMB; 50% weight differential and the reason the 2 strains should have separate record status. 

Tom

PS, California NLMB and Smallmouth originally from Minnesota 1890.

FLMB from Florida 1959, S Spots from Alabama 1960, N Spots from Kentucky 1939.

[Hawkeye21]

Majority of all my fishing is in Iowa and Minnesota and to me anything over 6lbs for a large mouth seems to be equivalent to a 10 pounder down south.  I've only seen one bass over 6lbs in all my life of fishing up here.

[Lucky Craft Man]

Interesting question.  I have always asked myself a question like this, "How big would a fish have to be for me to consider getting a replica made?"  below is the Spreadsheet Table I created that answered that question for me.

 

 

[JustJames]

How can one tell differences between FLM VS NLM VS F1hybrid?

[soflabasser]

17 hours ago, BASS302 said:

@CroakHunter,

In-Fisherman has the following charts for master angler:

 

 

So, Master Angler awards

FLM = 10

NLM = 6.5

SM  = 5 or 5.5 depending on region

SB  = 3 or 5 depending on region

 

 

 A TrophyCatch sized largemouth bass in the state of Florida is 8 pounds, and 8 pounders tend to be around 24 inches in length, give or take a inch or so in length depending on thickness. 10 pound bass are rarely only 24 inches in Florida, more like 25-27 inches in length. I know this from experience weighing 100's of big bass( 5 pounds or better) in Florida. Our state rewards anglers who properly document largemouth bass over 8 pounds and that are approved by a team of biologist who know more about bass weight than most fishermen.

[Raul]

15 minutes ago, JustJames said:

How can one tell differences between FLM VS NLM VS F1hybrid?

FLM 70-72 scales on the lateral line

NLM 68-70 scales on the lateral line

 

so the tricky part is when you encounter a 70 scales along the lateral line, could be either, weight is not discriminatory since, at least in my neck of the woods, a 10 lber can be a NLM or a hybrid.

[WRB]

40 minutes ago, Raul said:

FLM 70-72 scales on the lateral line

NLM 68-70 scales on the lateral line

 

so the tricky part is when you encounter a 70 scales along the lateral line, could be either, weight is not discriminatory since, at least in my neck of the woods, a 10 lber can be a NLM or a hybrid.

Raul you may want recheck your source of info.

McClanes New Standard Fishing Encyclopedia 

Northern strain Largemouth Black bass;

lateral line pore scales 59-68

Below lateral line scales 15-16

Above lateral line scales 7-9

 

Florida strain Largemouth;

lateral line pore scales 69-73

below lateral line scales 17-18

above lateral line scales 8-9

 

I don't know of a field method to deterime identification for intergrades such as F1, however the lateral line scale count 69+ should be a good enough identifier. During the late 60's when FLMB started showing up in San Diego lakes I research how to identify them and came up with the above info. It's easy to count lateral line pore scales on live bass by laying them on a wet towel with one end over thier head and start counting from the gill plate back towards the tail, when you get to 68 with a few more scales remaining it's a Florida strain.

Tom

[TnRiver46]

Welll....... woops

[CroakHunter]

3 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

Only a DNA test 

I say we put them on the Maury Povich show if we are doing DNA tests!

[TnRiver46]

Just now, CroakHunter said:

I say we put them on the Maury Povich show if we are doing DNA tests!

After I typed that I reAd tom and a few other replies. I have a degree In fisheries management and I would still mis-identify them on the test. We had to count scales and measure fin rays constantly and I wouldn't consider it an exact science 

[Bassin' Brad]

Does the weight to length to girth ratio vary from FLMB to NLMB? I know that each bass is different but I was curious if it consistently varied between the two. 

 

I caught a 7 lb 4 oz 22" long LMB in new Mexico and then shortly after that I caught a 6 lb 23 1/2" long LMB in Oklahoma and wondered if one was FLMB and the other NLMB 

 

 

[Chance_Taker4]

What happens if you put FLMB in say Ohio and NLMB in Florida? Will they sustain?

[BassObsessed]

15 minutes ago, Chance_Taker4 said:

What happens if you put FLMB in say Ohio and NLMB in Florida? Will they sustain?

The Florida strain won't survive the temps in Ohio.

[Scarborough817]

wow i guess i have caught a fish that is equal to a 10lb FLMB

[WRB]

15 hours ago, Bassin' Brad said:

Does the weight to length to girth ratio vary from FLMB to NLMB? I know that each bass is different but I was curious if it consistently varied between the two. 

 

I caught a 7 lb 4 oz 22" long LMB in new Mexico and then shortly after that I caught a 6 lb 23 1/2" long LMB in Oklahoma and wondered if one was FLMB and the other NLMB 

 

 

You need to consider the girth as a body mass indicator, football shaped bass have a good eccosystems with lots of food source, flat shaped bass with lengths the are more then 75% of the girth have light weight body mass. Florida strain bass living in Floridia tend to have a more average length to girth ratio of 75-80%, one reason 18 lb FLMB are so rare in Florida and more common in California where over 85% girth to length (football shaped bass) tend to be the norm. I have never measure a LMB over 30" long (month closed to end of the center of the tail, not the tips) and believe that is close to maximum for the species.

Lateral line pore scales are in a straight line and easy to see on big bass because of the hole in each scale.

Tom