papajoe222 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 23 hours ago, nascar2428 said: Forbes has got it all wrong. Gander Mountain closed, Cabelas bought out, just two of many indicators that the industry is headed in the wrong direction. The direction the industry is headed is just a result of an overflow of retail outlets looking to get their piece of the pie, only to discover the piece getting smaller and smaller. Also, the outlets you mention are department stores and their target consumer wasn’t the fisherman. The other factor to consider is on-line purchasers. If you look at the Christmas season, there has been a steady decline in retail sales. As far as that video channel, I don’t feel it hurts bass fishing. As Glenn mentioned, the introduction of children to the sport is dwindling. IMO a major reason is the demise of family, the traditional mom, dad and kids. When dad only has visitation every other week-end, a time consuming sport like fishing is far down on his list of things to do. Children hunger for information, entertainment and a connection to others. Sadly, family is no longer supplying those. 3
Super User Deleted account Posted January 2, 2018 Super User Posted January 2, 2018 So I'm the only one that likes Thai hotties in Daisy Dukes catching snakeheads? 3 4
Super User NYWayfarer Posted January 2, 2018 Super User Posted January 2, 2018 If I am not fishing I am watching programs with fishing related content. Things like Wicked Tuna but also YouTubers. Just like anything else they have their place.
Super User geo g Posted January 3, 2018 Super User Posted January 3, 2018 Thanks guys for the video. I enjoyed watching regardless of what techniques you are using. There are many ways to catch bass on any given day, and any body of water. I enjoyed the lack of senseless music that sometime blasts in others videos. Keep doing what your doing and people will watch.
MrPeanut Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 The youtube fishing channels are always an interesting topic because everyone has a very different view point on them. There are many channels that are for fishing, but don't actually provide instruction. A lot of the younger crowd find them entertaining, so they have a lot of followers. I don't find a lot of them entertaining so I don't watch them. On the other hand, there are a handful of channels with a lot of very good information / tips on them as well, which I do watch. Youtube is nothing more than a platform people can share information on. The viewers can choose whether or not they want to watch. Some companies are more or less supporting some of the bigger channels, because it's a way to get their advertisements out to a mass of viewers, who would otherwise not see their ads. To them, it's simple economics and marketing. If people want to invest the money into buying cameras and posting their outdoors blogs on youtube, my take is go ahead, there's a lot worse things they could be doing. As long as I can still choose which ones I want to watch and which ones I don't, I have no problem with it. I think it will be interesting to watch and see if companies start to "sponsor" youtube personas in the same way they do tournaments, and the affect that choice will have on the massive amount of channels there are. Once channel owners get to a certain age, youtube will pay the bills or it won't.
DINK WHISPERER Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 On 1/2/2018 at 9:40 AM, papajoe222 said: The direction the industry is headed is just a result of an overflow of retail outlets looking to get their piece of the pie, only to discover the piece getting smaller and smaller. Also, the outlets you mention are department stores and their target consumer wasn’t the fisherman. The other factor to consider is on-line purchasers. If you look at the Christmas season, there has been a steady decline in retail sales. As far as that video channel, I don’t feel it hurts bass fishing. As Glenn mentioned, the introduction of children to the sport is dwindling. IMO a major reason is the demise of family, the traditional mom, dad and kids. When dad only has visitation every other week-end, a time consuming sport like fishing is far down on his list of things to do. Children hunger for information, entertainment and a connection to others. Sadly, family is no longer supplying those. Very well said my friend! I can't remember the last time I actually bought fishing gear from a store myself. And you're right, the traditional family life is becoming nonexistent. So many parents find it much easier to hand their children a video game, phone or tablet instead of spending time actually showing them something useful. I believe that this kind of exposure leads to a population of kids who know and see too much too soon. Many get consumed in social media and fall into trying to fit into crowds they shouldn't be in. Fishing is the last thing on their mind at this point. My son loves pumping himself up with fishing videos on YouTube prior to a trip. Then he wants to know why we don't have the huge wrapped boat and expensive flat screen TV monitor sonars he sees on the different channels. Given, he's only 8 yrs old. But it's an example of how easily they can get affected by what they see when they don't yet understand things. Everything in moderation IMO. 1
Preytorien Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 I like watching some now and then, and definitely only the informative types, like Glenn or Gene. One other thing that I noticed, and really only about myself, is how the editing and cutting affected my mentality when fishing. I had watched so many videos of guys pulling up on "fishy" looking spots and hauling them out, that I started getting frustrated in my own fishing. The videos, even TV programs, of course usually only show footage of the guys getting bites, all the boring stuff in between doesn't sell. It started causing my mentality to change and be more impatient. Once I stopped watching so much, and focused on techniques and applications that I learned both on here and Glenn/Gene's videos, I not only caught more, but enjoyed the hunt a little more than I did. That said, if nothing else is on I might watch Bill Dance or someone, I might watch a lure review video on YT now and then, but the majority of the time I try to watch something more informative and educational. 1
Chance_Taker4 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 There is going to be a downfall on the youtube side of the industry. YT banned all hunting and gun related content from being monetized. A small channel I watch that is geared for instructional and reviews has shut his channel down because YT is now combing through Fishing channels to demonetize them. All these flooded channels will be gone once YT quits paying them for fishing videos. That is one reason the Googan Squad (I can't stand by the way) is uploading less fishing content and more talking about fishing. As for the industry I shop probably the most different than everyone here. I do not buy from big chain outlets and very rarely do I buy from mom and pop shops. When I want to buy product I go straight to the manufacture for it. Yes I may place 7-8 different orders but they offer free shipping along with every other store. I would rather the manufacture receive every cent for their product then split between other companies. Lastly @reason where can I find these snakehead videos?
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted January 3, 2018 Super User Posted January 3, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 11:21 PM, A-Jay said: I'm good with that - Thanks. And I'm also OK with little to no following. As I prefer leading. A-Jay But, but, but, but, if you don't have followers, who or what are you leading? 2
Super User A-Jay Posted January 4, 2018 Super User Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fishing Rhino said: But, but, but, but, if you don't have followers, who or what are you leading? The Blind. A-Jay 2
BuzzHudson19c Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 I've never like tournaments. I always preferred fishing shows (Bill Dance, Jimmy Houston etc) to tournament fishing from a young age. There will always be those who would rather compete in a given sport or hobby however. I think a similar effect has been had on the lifting industry. I love powerlifting and youtube has exposed a lot of new young people to the sport, but it hasn't really increased the amount of people showing up at meets to compete. Kids do "Mock meets" alone at the gym and then post them on youtube. Personally, with powerlifting I prefer the competitions, with fishing I do not. I don't think tournament fishing has anything to worry about. The competitors are out there. 2
Super User slonezp Posted January 4, 2018 Super User Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, A-Jay said: The Blind. A-Jay Since you are Sensei to the blind, maybe you can answer this question I have been pondering for a long time. How do blind people know when they are done wiping? 2
Super User A-Jay Posted January 4, 2018 Super User Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, slonezp said: Since you are Sensei to the blind, maybe you can answer this question I have been pondering for a long time. How do blind people know when they are done wiping? Guess you got your meds then ? A-Jay 1 1
Super User soflabasser Posted January 4, 2018 Super User Posted January 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, BuzzHudson19c said: I've never like tournaments. I always preferred fishing shows (Bill Dance, Jimmy Houston etc) to tournament fishing from a young age. There will always be those who would rather compete in a given sport or hobby however. I think a similar effect has been had on the lifting industry. I love powerlifting and youtube has exposed a lot of new young people to the sport, but it hasn't really increased the amount of people showing up at meets to compete. Kids do "Mock meets" alone at the gym and then post them on youtube. Personally, with powerlifting I prefer the competitions, with fishing I do not. I don't think tournament fishing has anything to worry about. The competitors are out there. I use to watch fishing shows on TV such as Jimmy Houston, Spanish Fly, etc when I was a kid and did not like watching tournament fishing and still do not like watching tournament fishing. I do watch many fishing Youtube videos and find them very entertaining. As for powerlifting,I have noticed what you mentioned about the lifting industry and theres a lot of shady stuff in the fitness industry that I am sure you are aware of. I have been powerlifting for almost 2 decades, still have big lifts, and I do not plan on completing in a powerlfiting meet since too many guys in those meets take anabolic steroids. I refuse to complete with person who takes steroids and I am sure there are many drug free athletes who do not complete in powerlifting competitions since they know they will complete against those who got their gains by abusing steroids. Many of these lifters juice a couple months of the year and stop for several months so it doesn't show up on drug test, so even the ''drug free powerlifting meets'' are tainted with these steroid abusing individuals. I am sure there are those in the lifting community that look down on drug free lifters for not taking steroids , but at least we are not cheating and taking drugs that are illegal in the USA for bodybuilding and athletic purposes. 1
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted January 4, 2018 Super User Posted January 4, 2018 14 hours ago, slonezp said: Since you are Sensei to the blind, maybe you can answer this question I have been pondering for a long time. How do blind people know when they are done wiping? Do you really want to know the answer to that? 1
KenNorton Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 From a regional perspective, youtube has been a breath of fresh air. I cannot express how frustrating it was growing up around some of the top bass waters in the country (northern California) and hardly ever seeing western lakes fished on the national tv shows. We had/have one show that showcases western waters (Angler West TV) and when I was younger I can remember waiting all week with baited breath for new episodes. Youtube makes it so easy to finally watch lakes in our region fished (and seeing what works out here). I would say 80% of the time on youtube I'll watch videos filmed on northern California waters. And the rest of the time I'll watch general instructional videos of the bassresource variety....I cannot stand a lot of the "hype"/"clickbait" type fishing videos. I think youtube is still in it's infancy and these unfulfilling videos will not stand the test of time as the general public gradually smartens-up - at least I hope that's the case. 1
OCdockskipper Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 Being on the downhill side of 50, I don't have much use for most fishing videos to learn. In fact, I find I will often read the transcripts of the videos that Glenn posts as opposed to watching them. I find I learn better when I am actively participating rather than passively watching. An example of that is how I learned about the Ned rig. It started with a simple, tongue-in-cheek comment by Bluebasser86 who wrote something like "Nothing to see here, it is just hype " when talking about the technique. For some reason, that throw away line piqued my curiosity and I began picking up information reading about it from others on this site & from Ned himself. Videos on the subject seem to be lacking (for me), although I did find illustrations helpful. I do enjoy watching shows like MLF for the entertainment value, but it seems like many of the videos (as well as some TV shows) try so hard to be cool or different that they come across as annoying to me, so I turn them off.
LionHeart Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 Don't have any interest in tournament fishing so I can't really speak to that but I think YouTube as a whole is incredible. It has saved me countless hours and money by showing me things from fixing appliance to replacing window motors in my wife's car. I thoroughly enjoy watching fishing videos of just about every kind. A great number of the channels just want to eventually profit From the deal, but some of them are just regular people trying to share their experience, from gear reviews to fishing techniques. Anything that can save me time and money, while I get to sit in front of a computer drinking coffee..... well, nuff said.
Super User Choporoz Posted January 4, 2018 Super User Posted January 4, 2018 What's a youtube? JK...sorta...lump me in with some of the other old pharts above....I can count on one hand (two, maybe on a generous day) the number of youtube posters that I thought brought me some value, including Glenn and Gene...oh, and those two Tactical guys out in CA, also...not many others. I admit to having enjoyed a few top pro's vids, like KVD or that skipping guru, Montgomery...and I'll watch most anything that Swindle is doing because he cracks me up...and sometimes teaches me a little as a bonus...I don't have time/interest for the rest of it
nighthawk25 Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 I love watching Jon B, but if I really want to learn a certain technique I'll watch BassResource, Angling Buzz or similar channels.
Hawkeye21 Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 1:07 PM, slonezp said: Glenn, The difference between your videos, along with a few choice others, is they provide information rather than hype. Hype is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It does nothing more than bring attention to something that isn't all that interesting. For me, the how and the why is more important. unfortunately educational content takes a back seat to "flash" when it comes to Youtube. It's extremely rare for me to watch fishing on youtube. One thing I noticed first hand with the filming of these videos is something similar to the prepubescent craze for the likes of Justin Bieber. The video below was filmed this past spring at a tournament I competed in. In fact, they docked next to me at the weigh in. My Lund can be seen in all her glory right after the 7 minute mark. LOL Back to my point. My son told me this young man has a huge following on youtube and quit college to pursue his youtube career. The guy he is fishing with is Steve Mui a local pro who has competed in both FLW and BASS and the boat they are in was won at our Anglers Choice tournament of champions back in 2012 (I came in 112th out of 196 ) Anyway, when they pulled in at the dock, there was nothing but 7 to 14 year old boys following Alex around like lost puppies. They weren't even aware that Steve Mui, the "professional fisherman", was there. There is no educational content in the video. Just a couple guys catching fish. Somehow this kid is making a living off it. More power to him, but what happens when he gets a little older and the 10 year old boy don't want to watch some old guy on youtube? If he does well enough on YouTube he won't have to worry about his future. There are plenty of YouTubers who make hundreds of thousands and even millions putting videos on YouTube. Many of those videos are watched by young people too. I'd say he's pretty smart. 1
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted January 6, 2018 Super User Posted January 6, 2018 On 1/3/2018 at 9:34 PM, slonezp said: Since you are Sensei to the blind, maybe you can answer this question I have been pondering for a long time. How do blind people know when they are done wiping? There is a simple solution. Bidets for the blind. I'd recommend the unit with the highest pressure. http://bidetking.com/best-bidet-seat-for-me 1
Super User Gundog Posted January 6, 2018 Super User Posted January 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, Fishing Rhino said: There is a simple solution. Bidets for the blind. I'd recommend the unit with the highest pressure. http://bidetking.com/best-bidet-seat-for-me I used one of those for the first time in a government building in Canada back in the 80's. It was a unique experience. It wasn't the worst water fountain I've ever drank out of but the design should be changed. The horseshoe shaped thing kept falling down and hitting me in the head. 1 1
Super User burrows Posted January 7, 2018 Author Super User Posted January 7, 2018 Even with a bidet though I would still think that the person would have to be able to see ? Or have someone else see or ? 1
Super User Gundog Posted January 7, 2018 Super User Posted January 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Burro said: Even with a bidet though I would still think that the person would have to be able to see ? Or have someone else see or ? This is where a good seeing eye dog comes in handy. You can just wipe yourself on it and then take it to the groomers. 1 1
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