PR Knot

[Tim Kelly]

Thanks, yes I know the knot. I'm glad it's worked well for you. I found the wire cut the braid whe I used that system, so I use a mono or fluoro leader attached to the braid with an FG knot and then Alberto knot the wire to the mono/fluoro, which I found to be a better connection. I was probably using finer wire and braid though when I was doing it and never tried with 50lb test braid or wire. 

[Further North]

9 hours ago, Tim Kelly said:

Thanks, yes I know the knot. I'm glad it's worked well for you. I found the wire cut the braid whe I used that system, so I use a mono or fluoro leader attached to the braid with an FG knot and then Alberto knot the wire to the mono/fluoro, which I found to be a better connection. I was probably using finer wire and braid though when I was doing it and never tried with 50lb test braid or wire. 

It might work better bumping up the line diameters.

 

I don't worry about the line being visible on rig like this. No finesse needed on an in-line spinner that big.

[mcipinkie]

Here's my read:  I ain't into the technical stuff.  I just want a knot that I can tie in hurry and have confidence in.

 

I figure that the guys on the BASS and FLW tours are in the same boat, so I watch what they do.

 

Even a techno geek like Aaron Martens ties an Alberto or a Uni to Uni.  I tie either one depending on the mood I'm in.  I've drug a lot trees out of Lake Truman with either of those knots.  They work.  I can tie either in the rain, snow, driving wind, or all three with either hand.

 

Swindle ties a double cinch (it's "cinch" not "clinch")at the hook.  I tie the double improved cinch.  Never fails.

 

It's about fishing and catching fish. 

 

Now, I must admit, this applies only to bass fishing.  I don't chase tuna or even muskies for that matter.

[Further North]

43 minutes ago, mcipinkie said:

Now, I must admit, this applies only to bass fishing.  I don't chase tuna or even muskies for that matter.

Great post...I think you nailed it.

 

I use the more complicated FG knot because:

1. I'm multispecies (primarily pike, but I'll settle for musky) before bass.
2. Even if I'm fishing for bass, our lakes have a lot of pike and musky and I dislike donating lures.
3. The FG goes though guides much better than the Alberto or Uni-to-Uni when using higher test (larger diameter) lines.
4. I hate tying the Uni-to-Uni.  See above...I can't tie that thing well to save my soul, but can tie an FG that's a thing of beauty in the same time.

[mcipinkie]

If any of you can tie an FG knot as fast as I can tie an Alberto, or Uni to Uni, you are amazing. I'll tie leaders several time every day when fishing, particularly when in heavy cover. 

 

I watched a dozen videos with line in my hand and couldn't tie an FG knot, or figure out any real reason to.  I didn't see any of those knot gurus tie one in less than two minutes and that was sitting at a desk, and I'll bet with multiple takes. 

 

I can promise you if I thought an FG knot, or double wrap Shindo, or any other knot, would help my fishing, I'd tie it.  I'm 71 years old and have been fishing since in the single digits.  I've tied, or tried to tie, every knot that's come down the pike in 60 plus years.  I even tied a Bimini Twist once.  Never do that again.  I think the Alberto and Uni to Uni can't be beaten, but if something comes along that works better, I'll tie it.

 

Knots can only be as strong as the line.  My base rig is 50# braid and 25# FC.  The Alberto comes through the guides OK except when pitching, then I make the leader short enough it doesn't go in the guides.  For casting, I don't have any problem with the Alberto knot, and I fish braid and leaders on every rod, every lure, every technique, except mat punching.

 

I'll stay with my base theory:  If it's good enough for BASS Elites or FLW touring pros, it's good enough for me. 

 

Here's the real deal.  Tie the knot you like.  Within some bounds, it doesn't matter. It's all about catching fish.  I have a part time partner, my age, very good fisherman, even excellent, that ties some old knot from the 50's that his grandfather taught him.  I think it was called a "Fisherman's knot".  He ties the same darn knot in everything. He doesn't fish braid.  Never a problem.   Uses a blood knot for splices.  Go Figure !!

[Further North]

1 hour ago, mcipinkie said:

Here's the real deal.  Tie the knot you like.  Within some bounds, it doesn't matter. It's all about catching fish.  I have a part time partner, my age, very good fisherman, even excellent, that ties some old knot from the 50's that his grandfather taught him.  I think it was called a "Fisherman's knot".  He ties the same darn knot in everything. He doesn't fish braid.  Never a problem.   Uses a blood knot for splices.  Go Figure

That's the bottom line, right there.

 

We can split hairs on which knot is "better"...but it's all angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin silliness.

 

Alberto knots work great, that's not (knot?) debatable.

 

FG knots also work great and are smaller through the guides, that's not debatable.

 

Uni-to-Uni get 'er done just fine too, that's not debatable.

 

Personally, I can tie an FG as fast as an Alberto...or close enough that it doesn't matter...but I practice...a lot.  The FG might take a little longer to trim up and finish...but who gives a rip?  Any of these knots last for days, if not weeks...or in some cases, months (see my pics above, and I've got rigs with FG knots that were tied with wire before that....).  We're not talking about a knot we tie twenty times a day, because tying on a new leader that often would mean we've got something else horribly screwed up.

 

Getting back to the original post...the PR knot made me chuckle, for it's absolute over-the-top approach that struck me as an answer in search of a question that wasn't being asked.  80 wraps?  Really?  I wasn't kidding when I said I tie flies with less...