PR Knot

[Further North]

So...I'm kind of a knot knut...It's my technician/continuous improvement focus...I've settled on the FG for 95% of leader to main line connections...

 

Saw this one today:

 

https://www.sportfishingmag.com/100-percent-pr-bobbin-knot-video

 

...and though the technician in me can admire the potential of this thing...even the dedicated pike/musky fly tier in my says..."That's over the top!"

 

But it made me smile anyway.

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Learned something really similar on the long range SoCal boats a while back, no bobbin though. Works great for connecting braid to large mono. I don't like a long knot when casting it through the guides, and agree its over kill for fresh water, so I stick with the uni/uni or mod albright for that.

[Further North]

Saw this one on the same site, actually looks tieable on a boat bouncing around in the waves:

 

 

...claims 100% of line strength.

 

...but the Bimini Twist and the tag end pointing the wrong way don't excite me.

 

Not gonna go through the guides well.

 

[Angry John]

If your going to go threw all of that might as well be using hollow core braid.  The effort and time trying to do that out on the water would make it a no go for me.  The alberto is a solid knot and once you learn it, its fast and easy even out on the water.

https://www.***.com/fishing_knots/alberto-knot

[Further North]

7 minutes ago, Angry John said:

If your going to go threw all of that might as well be using hollow core braid.  The effort and time trying to do that out on the water would make it a no go for me.  The alberto is a solid knot and once you learn it, its fast and easy even out on the water.

https://www.***.com/fishing_knots/alberto-knot

I like the Alberto, and use it for connecting single strand wire leaders to braid.

 

The FG (if practiced enough so you can tie it on a pitching deck) is better (smaller through the guides) for Tyger Leader, Surflon  and Fluorocarbon...for me...YMMV, there's no wrong answer.

[Angry John]

1 minute ago, Further North said:

I like the Alberto, and use it for connecting single strand wire leaders to braid.

 

The FG (if practiced enough so you can tie it on a pitching deck) is better for Tyger Leader, Surflon  and Fluorocarbon...for me...YMMV, there's no wrong answer.

I have not used any of the other leaders you mention.  I fish bass and trout so other species may require you try other stuff.  Musky and pike are much larger and stronger fish that i have not really dealt with.  Ocean fish are a different game entirely.

[Further North]

8 minutes ago, Angry John said:

I have not used any of the other leaders you mention.  I fish bass and trout so other species may require you try other stuff.  Musky and pike are much larger and stronger fish that i have not really dealt with.  Ocean fish are a different game entirely.

That makes perfect sense...as I mentioned in another topic today, I live in a place where the waters are infested with musky and pike (thank God!)...so even my bass rigs tend to run leaders because there's little I hate more than a second of tension followed by a limp line as a two foot pike makes off with a $7.00 Rapala...

 

...I was pondering this...and it struck me...that the advantage of the FG over the Alberto only becomes important as line diameters increase...

 

When you're fishing 10# braid to 6# flouro...knot diameter probably isn't an important factor....bump that up to 50# braid and 30# (or 50#) wire leader...that's a different conversation altogether...

 

I do a lot of the latter, little of the former...because of the toothy fish infested water.

 

...BTW, you've got some incredible musky infested water not all that far away...I love where I live, but TN would be a pretty close 2nd place for me as I wouldn't have to give up teeth...and the bass fishing would be better.  Trout are probably a push (look up the Driftless Area).

[NHBull]

I too am a knot guy an a little ocd kicks in from time to time.

  There comes a point when it is time to simplify .

I know only tie the FG and Uni/uni and have never had one of those break

 

thanks for the video, but I don’t see the value..

[Darren.]

Dang. Almost looks like a modified FG to me!  

 

Easier to tie based on a video I watched on YT.

 

But I'll stick with the Uni-to-Uni for most stuff.

Might give this "new" knot a try, tho.

[Further North]

Just now, NHBull said:

thanks for the video, but I don’t see the value..

Ditto.

 

...but it was the OCD part of me that was fascinated.

 

I've seen "owl on a stick" macrame projects that are less complicated than that PR knot.

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Darren. said:

Dang. Almost looks like a modified FG to me!  

 

Easier to tie based on a video I watched on YT.

 

But I'll stick with the Uni-to-Uni for most stuff.

Might give this "new" knot a try, tho.

Good call.

 

I can't tie the Uni-to-Uni on a bet...it's a fine motor skills issue, I'd need a 3^rd hand...but there's nothing wrong with that knot.

[A-Jay]

When braid First hit the scene - yup back then, I was a surf casting, rock climping, jetty jocky chasing striped bass up & down the east coast.  Spent waaay too many nights with cold hands & buring eyes from the salt water  (man do I miss that) - learned the uni- to - uni.  Used it, trusted it and can tie it in my sleep - literally.  It has never let me down, unless I jacked up the knot myself or hooked a U-Boat determined to get to the horizon.  Still use it today & don't have any plans on changing.

 

 Out of pure curiosity, I started watching that PR knot demo and right about the time that dude began loading & then spinning that bobbing deal all over the place -  my right eye started to twitch  and my brain locked up . . . . 

Needed a shot of pre-Christmas cheer just to snap me out of it - that was close (and tasty) 

 

 So I guess if bass suddenly turn into mutant tarpon, I might be inclined to try that.

Until then I'll stick with a Golden Oldie.

 

A-Jay 

 

 

[Further North]

25 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

Out of pure curiosity, I started watching that PR knot demo and right about the time that dude began loading & then spinning that bobbing deal all over the place -  my right eye started to twitch  and my brain locked up . . . . 

I'm with you...'cept it was my left thumb...

 

25 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

Needed a shot of pre-Christmas cheer just to snap me out of it - that was close (and tasty) 

 

 So I guess if bass suddenly turn into mutant tarpon, I might be inclined to try that.

Until then I'll stick with a Golden Oldie.

Here's my take: with 50# braid and 30# wire leaders, that knot's gonna be about 4" long...what got my attention was "...60 wraps...".

 

I tie musky flies...

 

 

...with less than that....

[Darren.]

14 hours ago, A-Jay said:

When braid First hit the scene - yup back then, I was a surf casting, rock climping, jetty jocky chasing striped bass up & down the east coast.  Spent waaay too many nights with cold hands & buring eyes from the salt water  (man do I miss that) - learned the uni- to - uni.  Used it, trusted it and can tie it in my sleep - literally.  It has never let me down, unless I jacked up the knot myself or hooked a U-Boat determined to get to the horizon.  Still use it today & don't have any plans on changing.

 

 Out of pure curiosity, I started watching that PR knot demo and right about the time that dude began loading & then spinning that bobbing deal all over the place -  my right eye started to twitch  and my brain locked up . . . . 

Needed a shot of pre-Christmas cheer just to snap me out of it - that was close (and tasty) 

 

 So I guess if bass suddenly turn into mutant tarpon, I might be inclined to try that.

Until then I'll stick with a Golden Oldie.

 

A-Jay 

 

 

Sounds like the salt is calling you back. And I don't mean El Salto!

 

The striper bug has bitten me but not enough to chase 'em up n' down

the coast...yet. Thus far, 15# braid and 8# test leader tied with a the

tried-and-true uni-to-uni have held up to all the varieties I've landed in

the Chesapeake/York River area down here.

 

One of those knots that "just works", is easiest to tie, so why change?

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16 hours ago, Further North said:

Ditto.

 

...but it was the OCD part of me that was fascinated.

 

I've seen "owl on a stick" macrame projects that are less complicated than that PR knot.

 

 

 

 

Good call.

 

I can't tie the Uni-to-Uni on a bet...it's a fine motor skills issue, I'd need a 3^rd hand...but there's nothing wrong with that knot.

I hear this at least 20 times a year, and 2 minutes later another happy customer. The uni knot is one of the easiest to tie. I'll give you that every knot gets harder with age, at 20 I'd chuckle at old guys fumbling around, now at mid 50s, all the young gun snots annoy me.

[WRB]

Anyone who can tie the PR knot twice the same way is a genius.

The FG knot is difficult enough and tieing it is a trail on the water. If you can't tie a knot under fishing conditions don't use it!

Most salt water anglers use a Binimi Twist or wind on leaders using hollow braid.

Tom

[Further North]

On 12/23/2017 at 12:48 PM, reason said:

I hear this at least 20 times a year, and 2 minutes later another happy customer. The uni knot is one of the easiest to tie. I'll give you that every knot gets harder with age, at 20 I'd chuckle at old guys fumbling around, now at mid 50s, all the young gun snots annoy me.

I don't know what it is about the Uni-to-Uni...I just fight with it.  For some reason - and I get that it's not rational - I find the FG and Alberto easy to tie.  Who knows?

 

You wanna have a real laugh?  I fight with the Palomar knot too...but I force myself to tie that one...

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Further North]

On 12/23/2017 at 5:29 PM, WRB said:

Anyone who can tie the PR knot twice the same way is a genius.

[A-Jay]

22 hours ago, Further North said:

I don't know what it is about the Uni-to-Uni...I just fight with it.  For some reason - and I get that it's not rational - I find the FG and Alberto easy to tie.  Who knows?

 

You wanna have a real laugh?  I fight with the Palomar knot too...but I force myself to tie that one...

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The ONLY thing I'll EVER even consider passing through the "Devil's Palomar Loop" is a single hook; maybe a jig or a spinnerbait but that's about it.   Cranks, Jerkbaits, topwater - just about anything with trebles turns into a tangled jack wagon about half way into it - so that's pretty much out for me too. 

 

A-Jay

[Further North]

2 hours ago, A-Jay said:

The ONLY thing I'll EVER even consider passing through the "Devil's Palomar Loop" is a single hook; maybe a jig or a spinnerbait but that's about it.   Cranks, Jerkbaits, topwater - just about anything with trebles turns into a tangled jack wagon about half way into it - so that's pretty much out for me too. 

 

A-Jay

Dooood...you're makin' me choke on my Scotch...knock it the hell off...

 

...if you wanna wake up screaming in the middle of the night...think about tying that stuff (Cranks, Jerkbaits, topwater...anything with a t-t-t-treble hook on it...) into a Perfection Loop.

 

Stephen King can't touch it...

 

PS: the secret is to use a Mustad Fastach swivel  through the knot....Just sayin'....

[Ohio Archer]

I use the Uni-to-Uni knot for my braid-to-leader connection but the Palomar or Double Palomar for everything else.  Been using the Palomar since the '80's.  Too easy to tie not to use it.  Even on bigger stuff as long as the line isn't twisted.  The FG looks interesting and I might try that for my leader connection next time.

 

BTW, I'm running 65# Power Pro with either 100# or 130# fluorocarbon leaders.  Muskies are not very forgiving. 

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21 hours ago, A-Jay said:

The ONLY thing I'll EVER even consider passing through the "Devil's Palomar Loop" is a single hook; maybe a jig or a spinnerbait but that's about it.   Cranks, Jerkbaits, topwater - just about anything with trebles turns into a tangled jack wagon about half way into it - so that's pretty much out for me too. 

 

A-Jay

I've started using the uni more and more on treble baits, but I used the Palomar almost exclusively. What I found makes it easiest is to close your hand on the crankbait or jerk bait, then pass the loop over your hand. On larger/longer baits just cover the hooks as you loop it through. 

 

[Further North]

On 12/26/2017 at 2:15 PM, reason said:

I've started using the uni more and more on treble baits, but I used the Palomar almost exclusively. What I found makes it easiest is to close your hand on the crankbait or jerk bait, then pass the loop over your hand. On larger/longer baits just cover the hooks as you loop it through. 

 

That's a really good idea, thanks!

[Tim Kelly]

On 12/23/2017 at 1:48 AM, Further North said:

I like the Alberto, and use it for connecting single strand wire leaders to braid.

 

The FG (if practiced enough so you can tie it on a pitching deck) is better (smaller through the guides) for Tyger Leader, Surflon  and Fluorocarbon...for me...YMMV, there's no wrong answer.

I'm intrigued that you go direct from braid to wire. I used to try doing that and found that the wire cut the braid, so I now FG a leader to the braid and alberto the wire to the leader. It's a bit more complicated, but seems much more reliable. What lb test wire and braid are you using?

[Further North]

11 hours ago, Tim Kelly said:

I'm intrigued that you go direct from braid to wire. I used to try doing that and found that the wire cut the braid, so I now FG a leader to the braid and alberto the wire to the leader. It's a bit more complicated, but seems much more reliable. What lb test wire and braid are you using?

Tim, I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's 40# Suffix 832 to 30# Knot 2 Kinky.  I'd go look, but it's minus something out there.  I'll try to get it later and get a picture...it's a snug little knot.

 

I tie a swivel and snap on at the business end with a perfection loop.

[Further North]

19 hours ago, Tim Kelly said:

I'm intrigued that you go direct from braid to wire. I used to try doing that and found that the wire cut the braid, so I now FG a leader to the braid and alberto the wire to the leader. It's a bit more complicated, but seems much more reliable. What lb test wire and braid are you using?

Tim, here's pictures of the knots:

 

...definitely 50# Knot-2-Kinky.  Not as sure on the line.

 

...as you can see, the knot's been in the line for quite a while I believe I tied it on Lake of the Woods in July.  It's got tons of pike and a few musky on it...as well as some aggressive smallies and largemouth.

 

For most of that time, it's had a #5 red and white Mepps on it.  If I changed it up, it was for another #5 Mepps.  There's a slim chance it had one of the smaller Doctor Spoons on it.