Sprocket Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 10.25# Purtis Creek, Texas. BEFORE they killed all the grass. SE Kansas grass grower 1 Quote
Chowderhead Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 17 hours ago, hawgenvy said: Only one 10 pounder, a few years ago. I may have come close yesterday with this cow caught from the bank, but my darn scale was dead. Oh, well. Very nice fish - congrats! 1 1 Quote
Super User senile1 Posted December 27, 2017 Super User Posted December 27, 2017 On 12/23/2017 at 9:58 PM, hawgenvy said: Only one 10 pounder, a few years ago. I may have come close yesterday with this cow caught from the bank, but my darn scale was dead. Oh, well. Oh man. That is an absolute beast! I wish your scale had been functioning. 1 1 Quote
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted December 27, 2017 BassResource.com Administrator Posted December 27, 2017 On 12/17/2017 at 8:41 AM, Catt said: According to your numbers verses Glenn's calculator there's a 2# differential in my bass & reason's? The calculator on this site was made to take into account the shape of double-digit vs. single digit bass. It was years ago when I made it, so I don't recall the exact formula, but essentially there's an inflection point at about 10lbs where the "standard" formula loses accuracy. Larger bass have a wider girth relative to their length than smaller bass. So the popular formula most people use isn't universal. After a lot of research and talking to fisheries biologists, the calculator was coded in a way to compensate for this issue. While no estimator is 100% accurate, we felt this method was better than a formula that assumes a bass retains the same shape as it grows into double-digit territory. The formula we created is variable based upon the shape changing as the size increases. 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted December 27, 2017 Super User Posted December 27, 2017 I've seen Length X length X girth ÷1200 = lbs Girth x girth x length ÷ 800 = lbs Both of these do not take into account species The calculator here closely matches In-Fisherman & Texas Parks & Wildlife but like @WRB mentioned there is not argument with a certificated scale. Quote
Super User WRB Posted December 27, 2017 Super User Posted December 27, 2017 The G X G X L / 800 = weight in pounds is the IGFA formula and IMO isn't accurate enough for fresh water black bass. I came to that conclusion after measuring and weighing a lot of bass during the 60's and early 70's. Came with a different formula using length and girth that more closely matched the bass with L X L X W = wt in pounds back in the mid 70's. B.A.S.S. Times published the formula in the 2nd issue and it's has become generally accepted. Terry Bastista, author of Sow Belly, sent me a formula based on mass that requires several measurements of the girth to determine the mass more accurately and is a complicated math formula that works very well. The formula is complicated for anglers to perform. A certified scale is the only way to get the weight accurate if there isn't added weight. Tom 1 Quote
jbmaine Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 All the fish I caught were over 10+ until I noticed my scale was set to grams. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 27, 2017 Super User Posted December 27, 2017 I always felt displacement would be the true measure of a fish. Not easy for the average angler to do, but could be done easily in big tournaments. 1 Quote
waiddog Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 one 10+lb lake Castaic a few years back. Quote
BassObsessed Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 On 12/23/2017 at 10:58 PM, hawgenvy said: Only one 10 pounder, a few years ago. I may have come close yesterday with this cow caught from the bank, but my darn scale was dead. Oh, well. Gotta love those Fl golf course and neighborhood ponds. One of my 10's came from one. Quote
Super User WRB Posted December 29, 2017 Super User Posted December 29, 2017 My 1st DD bass was caught Easter holiday at lake Havasu Roads End Camp dock on a live water dog (tiger salamander) 11 lbs in 1957, the bass was released as it was the pet fish according to the dock man. 2nd was in 1958 at lake Sherwood on a jig, the bass was 10 lbs 1 oz. 3rd in 1959 at Livingston's rock quarry lake (private) on a Pikie jointed plug, 12 lbs. Nearly a decade goes by before 1967 when I caught a 14 lb 3 oz Lower Otay on a live crawdad. By 1971 fishing the Florida strain LMB in San Deigo city lakes, I logged 100 DD LMB on crawdads, waterdogs and live mud suckers to 14 lbs 7 oz. I decide live bait fishing for bass to be unsporting and swear off using it. 1971 my PB northern strain LMB 12 lbs 4 oz at lake Casitas on a jig. 1981 I catch a 18 lb 11 oz FLMB at lake Casitas on the same jig as my PM NLMB, this fish stands as my PB for over 12 years when I catch 58 bass between 15 lbs to 17.6 lbs at lakes Casitas and Castiac. March 3, 1993 I catch my 19.3lb FLMB on a jig at lake Castiac, my new PB....24 years ago! Tom 13 Quote
OCdockskipper Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 My PB would have been a 10lber, but she refused to eat 2 lbs of lead weights that I offered her... 1 1 Quote
Super User Dwight Hottle Posted December 29, 2017 Super User Posted December 29, 2017 12 hours ago, WRB said: My 1st DD bass was caught Easter holiday at lake Havasu Roads End Camp dock on a live water dog (tiger salamander) 11 lbs in 1957, the bass was released as it was the pet fish according to the dock man. 2nd was in 1958 at lake Sherwood on a jig, the bass was 10 lbs 1 oz. 3rd in 1959 at Livingston's rock quarry lake (private) on a Pikie jointed plug, 12 lbs. Nearly a decade goes by before 1967 when I caught a 14 lb 3 oz Lower Otay on a live crawdad. By 1971 fishing the Florida strain LMB in San Deigo city lakes, I logged 100 DD LMB on crawdads, waterdogs and live mud suckers to 14 lbs 7 oz. I decide live bait fishing for bass to be unsporting and swear off using it. 1971 my PB northern strain LMB 12 lbs 4 oz at lake Casitas on a jig. 1981 I catch a 18 lb 11 oz FLMB at lake Casitas on the same jig as my PM NLMB, this fish stands as my PB for over 12 years when I catch 58 bass between 15 lbs to 17.6 lbs at lakes Casitas and Castiac. March 3, 1993 I catch my 19.3lb FLMB on a jig at lake Castiac, my new PB....24 years ago! Tom That'a a fishing history recap to be proud of Tom. Outstanding! 1 Quote
Turtle135 Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 12 hours ago, WRB said: My 1st DD bass was caught Easter holiday at lake Havasu Roads End Camp dock on a live water dog (tiger salamander) 11 lbs in 1957, the bass was released as it was the pet fish according to the dock man. 2nd was in 1958 at lake Sherwood on a jig, the bass was 10 lbs 1 oz. 3rd in 1959 at Livingston's rock quarry lake (private) on a Pikie jointed plug, 12 lbs. Nearly a decade goes by before 1967 when I caught a 14 lb 3 oz Lower Otay on a live crawdad. By 1971 fishing the Florida strain LMB in San Deigo city lakes, I logged 100 DD LMB on crawdads, waterdogs and live mud suckers to 14 lbs 7 oz. I decide live bait fishing for bass to be unsporting and swear off using it. 1971 my PB northern strain LMB 12 lbs 4 oz at lake Casitas on a jig. 1981 I catch a 18 lb 11 oz FLMB at lake Casitas on the same jig as my PM NLMB, this fish stands as my PB for over 12 years when I catch 58 bass between 15 lbs to 17.6 lbs at lakes Casitas and Castiac. March 3, 1993 I catch my 19.3lb FLMB on a jig at lake Castiac, my new PB....24 years ago! Tom No wonder I can't catch a double digit. Tom went and sore mouthed them all! Congrats! That is an awesome record for monster bass. Quote
Super User WRB Posted December 29, 2017 Super User Posted December 29, 2017 On December 26, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Glenn said: The calculator on this site was made to take into account the shape of double-digit vs. single digit bass. It was years ago when I made it, so I don't recall the exact formula, but essentially there's an inflection point at about 10lbs where the "standard" formula loses accuracy. Larger bass have a wider girth relative to their length than smaller bass. So the popular formula most people use isn't universal. After a lot of research and talking to fisheries biologists, the calculator was coded in a way to compensate for this issue. While no estimator is 100% accurate, we felt this method was better than a formula that assumes a bass retains the same shape as it grows into double-digit territory. The formula we created is variable based upon the shape changing as the size increases. Glenn your calculator works good for majority of bass, it's better to over estimate then under estimate weights! After years of measuring and then weighing bass it becomes obvious the importance accurate measurements and difficult to accomplish on a live fish. For average body shape bass in the 3 lbs to 7 lbs range I found using 75% of the length as girth* in my L X L X G* / 1200 comes within 10% of fish weighed. The question is what is a average body shape bass? and that becomes another debate. Happy news years and thank you for developing this site. Tom Quote
DINK WHISPERER Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 16 hours ago, WRB said: My 1st DD bass was caught Easter holiday at lake Havasu Roads End Camp dock on a live water dog (tiger salamander) 11 lbs in 1957, the bass was released as it was the pet fish according to the dock man. 2nd was in 1958 at lake Sherwood on a jig, the bass was 10 lbs 1 oz. 3rd in 1959 at Livingston's rock quarry lake (private) on a Pikie jointed plug, 12 lbs. Nearly a decade goes by before 1967 when I caught a 14 lb 3 oz Lower Otay on a live crawdad. By 1971 fishing the Florida strain LMB in San Deigo city lakes, I logged 100 DD LMB on crawdads, waterdogs and live mud suckers to 14 lbs 7 oz. I decide live bait fishing for bass to be unsporting and swear off using it. 1971 my PB northern strain LMB 12 lbs 4 oz at lake Casitas on a jig. 1981 I catch a 18 lb 11 oz FLMB at lake Casitas on the same jig as my PM NLMB, this fish stands as my PB for over 12 years when I catch 58 bass between 15 lbs to 17.6 lbs at lakes Casitas and Castiac. March 3, 1993 I catch my 19.3lb FLMB on a jig at lake Castiac, my new PB....24 years ago! Tom So jealous right now! Quote
Super User bigbill Posted December 30, 2017 Super User Posted December 30, 2017 My thoughts are I was fishing everyday for months. Wearing polarized glasses while I’m fishing. I fish manmade dams were droppoffs are. While my pb is 10# I have seen bigger bass swim by me. These bigger gals appear like ghosts then there gone. I lost a few I poked too. My thoughts are if we have bigger bass here in ct then every body of water to the north and south must hold bigger bass. It’s impossible to target bigger bass. But stay going and being constant should pay off. I was just bass fishing having fun. I didn’t care about the size. Once I left the crowds fishing in the evenings and fished in the early mornings when it was quiet the bigger gals show up. 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted December 30, 2017 Super User Posted December 30, 2017 Don't fear the night fear what hunts at night! Big bass hunt at night...so do I ? 2 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted December 30, 2017 Super User Posted December 30, 2017 On 12/28/2017 at 9:41 PM, WRB said: My 1st DD bass was caught Easter holiday at lake Havasu Roads End Camp dock on a live water dog (tiger salamander) 11 lbs in 1957, the bass was released as it was the pet fish according to the dock man. 2nd was in 1958 at lake Sherwood on a jig, the bass was 10 lbs 1 oz. 3rd in 1959 at Livingston's rock quarry lake (private) on a Pikie jointed plug, 12 lbs. Nearly a decade goes by before 1967 when I caught a 14 lb 3 oz Lower Otay on a live crawdad. By 1971 fishing the Florida strain LMB in San Deigo city lakes, I logged 100 DD LMB on crawdads, waterdogs and live mud suckers to 14 lbs 7 oz. I decide live bait fishing for bass to be unsporting and swear off using it. 1971 my PB northern strain LMB 12 lbs 4 oz at lake Casitas on a jig. 1981 I catch a 18 lb 11 oz FLMB at lake Casitas on the same jig as my PM NLMB, this fish stands as my PB for over 12 years when I catch 58 bass between 15 lbs to 17.6 lbs at lakes Casitas and Castiac. March 3, 1993 I catch my 19.3lb FLMB on a jig at lake Castiac, my new PB....24 years ago! Tom Tom - that paragraph is hard to comprehend. I read it and I under stand it - but Holy Smokes - the hours, the days, the weeks, the months and The YEARS, and the DECADES of bass fishing that are represented right there . . . Like I said I read it but . . . . . Just wow. Quite a journey. Thank you for sharing it. A-Jay 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted December 30, 2017 Super User Posted December 30, 2017 Pushing 75 years now, getting to be a old timer. Tom 1 Quote
NCbassraider Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 On 12/17/2017 at 12:29 PM, DINK WHISPERER said: Pros stats or even how long you've been fishing has zero effect on the chances of catching a DD. Targeting them specifically, learning their behavior and wether or not they even exist where you're fishing does. I know people who have been fishing there whole life's and haven't caught one yet. And I have a buddy(member on here) who has been all saltwater his whole life. Then on his first bass trip I take him out on the big O and he smashes a 10.9lb on the scale. I agree that many do exaggerate but in the right state DD bass are not all fairy tales. I get the "blind squirrel" theory and that applies everywhere, however that's not really where I was going with this. Most people are clueless as to what a fish really weighs or just FOS. Sometimes both. Quote
CroakHunter Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 On 12/29/2017 at 10:22 PM, WRB said: Pushing 75 years now, getting to be a old timer. Tom When was your last DD? do you still fish "numbers"? Or are you only after that 20lber? Quote
Super User WRB Posted January 4, 2018 Super User Posted January 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, CroakHunter said: When was your last DD? do you still fish "numbers"? Or are you only after that 20lber? About 7 years ago in 2010 was my last giant bass 15.4 lbs at lake Casitas. Shortly after that I had spinal fusion surgery and couldn't fish for over a year. During that time period California put a stop to planting hactuary raised rainbow trout, the impact was a severe and the giant bass population crashed as a result. To compound everything Quagga mussels were discovered in SoCal and lake Casitas went to a lock on boat inspection that prevents you from using your boat on any other lake without going through 35 day quarantine period, effectively keeping your boat on 1 lake all season. To answer the question, no DD bass have been caught at Casitas the past 5 years by anyone and that is where my boat is locked onto. I fish Castaic occasionally but same situation regarding giant bass although the lagoon may still have a few. 20 lb bass are very rare and more than likely missed that opportunity. Tom 1 Quote
California Transplant Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 Have a few 10-11 class in CA and Mexico, caught 2 - 13+ two weeks apart on Clearlake and The CA Delta Quote
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