spinner bait vibration/feel

[TackleDavid]

I am curious  as to what makes my 3/8oz  war eagle double willow tandem nickel blade spinner bait  transmit vibration better than the others. (stanley vibra wedge, terminator T1 and T2's, boo ya, strike king)

 

I just started throwing them last fall. I ask this because I may start making my own spinner baits and need to know what makes the best ones better than the rest.  I am assuming the right type of wire makes the difference in feel. Blades effect thump and flash and trailer effects swimming and fall rate.  Interested in what your thoughts might be?

 

I encourage spinner bait experts and builders to share their experience.

 

I am throwing them on...

7' mh 13 black envy casting rod

steez sv tw 

30lb pp slick 8 w/ 12 tatsu leader

3/8 war eagle double willow tandem nickel blades  

3.75 in rage swimmer trailer

[Columbia Craw]

Spinnerbaits are probably the one lure type that are effected by design more than any other.  The baits offer flash, vibration, stop and start up action, falling action and skirt pulse.  The factors in which a spinnerbait does this is dependent on wire diameter, bend style at the line tie, angle the wire comes out from the head, head design, length and angle of the blade arm, matching and spacing of the blades in a multiple blade design, blade shape, blade size, blade material, blade thickness, blade cupping, blade finish, clevis size, size-quality of ball bearing, skirt materiel and strand count.  Anytime you add a trailer you impact the action.

 

The radius of the blade rotation, their distance, how one blade's water displacement counteracts with the other blade, the speed of the rotation also impact that water displacement. These factors all attribute to the vibration signature of a bait.  You can change the vibration of a spinnerbait by spreading the wire arm and creating distance from the head and changing the angle the water comes into contact with the blade(s) and or close the gap and bring the blade arm closer to the hook and skirt.  

 

Subtle differences in design and material make a huge difference. If you want to build your own, you can apply this information and I hope you get what you're looking for.  Welcome to forum !!

[Deleted account]

The blade(s) generate the vibration, the rest of the spinnerbait (primarily the wire frame) transmit the vibration. You can break it down further into the interaction, and resonance of the vibrations, but that might be a little overkill. Try switching blades with other spinnerbaits. I don't particularly like Wae Eagle spinnerbaits, and change out blades on most spinnerbaits to taylor them to what I'm trying to do. I'll also mention that more vibration isn't always a good thing.

[Catt]

When I hear someone mention a spinnerbait produces more flash & vibration the Stanley makes wonder if they've ever thrown one!

 

Stanley's Spinnerbaits are the epitome of what a spinnerbait should do.

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1 hour ago, Catt said:

When I hear someone mention a spinnerbait produces more flash & vibration the Stanley makes wonder if they've ever thrown one!

 

Stanley's Spinnerbaits are the epitome of what a spinnerbait should do.

Get a room!...

[TackleDavid]

5 hours ago, reason said:

The blade(s) generate the vibration, the rest of the spinnerbait (primarily the wire frame) transmit the vibration. You can break it down further into the interaction, and resonance of the vibrations, but that might be a little overkill. Try switching blades with other spinnerbaits. I don't particularly like Wae Eagle spinnerbaits, and change out blades on most spinnerbaits to taylor them to what I'm trying to do. I'll also mention that more vibration isn't always a good thing.

Vibration is the point of this thread. I am using the lure as a tool to feel. 

I can catch a fish with a $1 spinnerbait from walmart but I can feel a fish looking at my bait with the war eagle spinnerbait (possible slight exaggeration) lol.

1 hr ago I just tested every spinnerbait I have and the war eagle transferred the most vibration to me. I can read whats in the water easier, an example would be a piece of grass.

2 hours ago, Catt said:

When I hear someone mention a spinnerbait produces more flash & vibration the Stanley makes wonder if they've ever thrown one!

 

Stanley's Spinnerbaits are the epitome of what a spinnerbait should do.

I have thrown one.

Maybe I got a bad one but it did not vibrate more than the war eagles. I am throwing double willows.

I will try another as I cannot find the one I had.

 

[KCFinesse]

I'm a fan of good components and light wire to maximize vibration. Good ball bearing swivels are important as is balancing the weight of the spinnerbait to the blade size. I am also generally a fan of thinner blades. I also like the feel of bigger single willows, which are hard to find if you don't make them. I've also had days where the 'bad' swivel that intermittently locks up seems to stir up bigger fish...

 

This year I've been testing out thinning the wire arm above the line tie via Dremel tool; the goal being to maximize a lower frequency vibration than a traditional consistent dimension wire or even a Stanley design. The results suggest that it might be working, but I could always use more time on the water during a blade bite!

 

Good luck!

-Jared

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8 minutes ago, KCFinesse said:

I I've also had days where the 'bad' swivel that intermittently locks up seems to stir up bigger fish...

Fake news!, move along!, nothing to see here!... 

[gim]

The material that the actual frame made of makes a big difference for me.  Not necessarily in terms of vibration or feel, but definitely in terms of durability.  I almost exclusively use the Terminator series now because the frame is made of titanium, not steel.  We have a ton of pike around here and they ruin steel ones very quickly.  They get kinked, bent, and ruined after one or two pike smashes them.  The terminators cost more but they last a lot longer.

[Catt]

3 hours ago, TackleDavid said:

I have thrown one.

Maybe I got a bad one but it did not vibrate more than the war eagles. I am throwing double willows.

I will try another as I cannot find the one I had.

 

I've thrown both not just a few times but for years.

 

The hottest spinnerbait this year has been the War Eagle pictured, it doesn't give off more vibration than a Stanley. I think the reason it's getting bit is it's 1/4 oz & Stanley doesn't make one.

 

I've made spinnerbaits for 3-4 Pro anglers until we met Lonnie. The tapered wire of the Vibra Shaft gives of vibrations straight shafts can't match. Add to that the tapered Wedge blade & it displaces more water than any other spinnerbait on the market.

 

Again I aint said they'll out fish the rest but if ya wanna talk flash & vibration Stanley is #1.

[BASS302]

If you drill extra holes in your spinner blade, the vibrations will be different depending on which hole you connect.  I'm not sure if it helps any, I've only been doing this the last couple of years (but not all the time).

 

[Tlauz]

4 hours ago, gimruis said:

The material that the actual frame made of makes a big difference for me.  Not necessarily in terms of vibration or feel, but definitely in terms of durability.  I almost exclusively use the Terminator series now because the frame is made of titanium, not steel.  We have a ton of pike around here and they ruin steel ones very quickly.  They get kinked, bent, and ruined after one or two pike smashes them.  The terminators cost more but they last a lot longer.

About 10 years ago, Cabelas had these Terminators in clearance bin for $1.99.  I bought every 1/2 and 3/8 oz in the East Grand Forks store.  I then had them look to see if they had any more at any of their other stores.  They had some in Texas, but wouldn't look through them, so they shipped them up here with my name on them.  I remember going in and asking for them,  and they handed me a bag with over 250 spinnerbaits in it.  I sat on the floor of the store and went through and picked out the ones I wanted.  I think I bought over 80.  I thought I would never run out of spinnerbaits.  I opened my last one this past year.  Most were lost to pike, a few to snags and a few to bad knot tying!

 

[gim]

On ‎11‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 8:11 PM, Tlauz said:

About 10 years ago, Cabelas had these Terminators in clearance bin for $1.99.  I bought every 1/2 and 3/8 oz in the East Grand Forks store.  I then had them look to see if they had any more at any of their other stores.  They had some in Texas, but wouldn't look through them, so they shipped them up here with my name on them.  I remember going in and asking for them,  and they handed me a bag with over 250 spinnerbaits in it.  I sat on the floor of the store and went through and picked out the ones I wanted.  I think I bought over 80.  I thought I would never run out of spinnerbaits.  I opened my last one this past year.  Most were lost to pike, a few to snags and a few to bad knot tying!

 

LOL holy cow.  You hit the mother lode and you never thought you'd run out...

[kingmotorboat]

On 11/26/2017 at 5:08 PM, Catt said:

I've thrown both not just a few times but for years.

 

The hottest spinnerbait this year has been the War Eagle pictured, it doesn't give off more vibration than a Stanley. I think the reason it's getting bit is it's 1/4 oz & Stanley doesn't make one.

 

I've made spinnerbaits for 3-4 Pro anglers until we met Lonnie. The tapered wire of the Vibra Shaft gives of vibrations straight shafts can't match. Add to that the tapered Wedge blade & it displaces more water than any other spinnerbait on the market.

 

Again I aint said they'll out fish the rest but if ya wanna talk flash & vibration Stanley is #1.

And there ya go letting my secret out

[Chance_Taker4]

I have found 3 spinnerbaits that gives off a ton of vibrations. The issue is they are really expensive for a spinnerbait in my eyes. They are the River2Sea Bling, Picasso Invizwire (pro or ss) and Duo Realis Cambio. I have the most success on the R2S Bling.

[Turtle135]

Have you tried retrieving a spinnerbait with a single willow blade? In my experience if you are looking for the most feel coming up the line a single blade will win that battle over two blades everytime.