Question about Daiwa Zillion TWS

[Bass fishing is best]

First off my apologies if this is common knowledge I've searched for an hour and can't find many detailed posts on this.

 

Just got a used Zillion TWS  What are the main differences of this model Zillion TWS 100 hl vs Zillion TWS SV 1016?   Is the reel itself that much different or is the SV spool the main upgrade?   If I put an SV spool in it do I have nearly the same thing as if it were the SV 1016 reel?   I'd be using this primarily for skipping.   I was going to buy the 1016 this spring but pretty much got this reel for free so maybe just a spool upgrade is all I need?  Hope this makes sense.

 

Thanks in advance.

[bigturtle]

The body of the reel is different, SV spool wont fit into the 100hl

[kschultz76]

The body of the Zillion SV TW is the same body/frame as the Tatula CT frame. So it’s more compact and smaller in hand. The Zillion SV though varies from all the Tatula CT variants in that it has a free floating spool, zaion handle side plate, and more CR bearings. I’m no expert but I think as stated above the spool in your 1st gen Zillion tWS is not interchangeable with enough Zillion SV TW. 

 

I have a stable table full of Shimanos, 1 Tatula SV TW, and now I’m trying to decide if I’m going to get one more Tatula SV TW or try out the Zillion SV TW. I’m not done with Shimano this all, but I like these Daiwas enough to have a couple and add some versatility. 

[Bass fishing is best]

On 11/23/2017 at 7:19 AM, bigturtle said:

The body of the reel is different, SV spool wont fit into the 100hl

 

Thanks that is what I was afraid of.  I own 5 shimano baitcasters so I don't speak Daiwa, the names and amount of reels they sell is staggering.  Thanks very much.

 

On 11/23/2017 at 9:36 AM, kschultz76 said:

The body of the Zillion SV TW is the same body/frame as the Tatula CT frame. So it’s more compact and smaller in hand. The Zillion SV though varies from all the Tatula CT variants in that it has a free floating spool, zaion handle side plate, and more CR bearings. I’m no expert but I think as stated above the spool in your 1st gen Zillion tWS is not interchangeable with enough Zillion SV TW. 

 

I have a stable table full of Shimanos, 1 Tatula SV TW, and now I’m trying to decide if I’m going to get one more Tatula SV TW or try out the Zillion SV TW. I’m not done with Shimano this all, but I like these Daiwas enough to have a couple and add some versatility. 

 

Thank you I've heard this before but couldn't find this exact info.  The main reason I don't already own a Daiwa is I'm no fan of the bulky feel the older ones had.   I looked at them again after the CT but did not like a few things about the Tatula, but did like the size.  This was a tag sale purchase of my family out of state and I haven't held it yet so we'll see.   I think I'll just give it to my neighbor and pick up an SV this Spring.

 

I have 2 Met's and Chronarch MGL's and love them, they aren't going anywhere.  They can't skip...or more appropriately I can't skip with them.  I've heard Daiwa's are an easier reel for this.  

 

 

Out of curiosity if I do like this reel when I use it, are there any after market lighter spool options?   

[Tim Kelly]

The Daiwa SV spool makes skipping slightly less backlash prone, but your Shimanos will skip perfectly well. It's technique much more than reels, so you won't suddenly be able to do it just by buying an SV spooled reel, unfortunately.

[bigturtle]

Not all SV spools act the same, some such as the Tatula SV, will have much stronger breaking force than a Zillion VS TW.

[Tim Kelly]

11 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said:

Interesting.  With my Alphas SV I found that I was able to suddenly transition from being unable to skip to skipping efortlessly and with little to no thumb with loose spool tension at that.  It was an abrupt night and day difference in both the ease of skipping and skipping performance.  Maybe the SV spool in the Zillion TWS SV is the culprit?  I often hear that spool described as a longer casting or faster SV spool.  To me that would indicate that is not as controlled as other SV spools and may skip poorly as a result.  I would like to hear what spools you have had problems with.  Not to attack your position but to inform myself on which spools/reels are better skippers.

That's not my experience. I have a Curado E, OG Tat and a tat CT that skip as well as my SV105 and Tat SV, slightly more prone to backlashes, but not hugely. The only reel I really struggle to skip with is my stock OG Zillion. Not sure why though. Even the old Curado B skips fine.

[kschultz76]

1 hour ago, bigturtle said:

Not all SV spools act the same, some such as the Tatula SV, will have much stronger breaking force than a Zillion VS TW.

I’m right debating whether I add another Tatula SV TW or try a Zillion SV TW.  Do you own or have used both?  I’m looking for direct comparisons between each. I’ve read that the Zillion offers a bit better distance with less effort but haven’t heard that it offers less controlled casting. I’ve just realized how amazing my Tatula SV TW on the right rod will sling a 1/4 oz squarebills crankbait or 1/4 oz popper with incredible control. I wouldn’t mind extra distance but don’t want to lose the control with those light lures. 

 

I need to to add a reel or two to my kit and the Tatula is a 7 ratio so going to add one of the two in a 6 ratio for small cranks and topwater. 

[iabass8]

25 minutes ago, kschultz76 said:

I’m right debating whether I add another Tatula SV TW or try a Zillion SV TW.  Do you own or have used both?  I’m looking for direct comparisons between each. I’ve read that the Zillion offers a bit better distance with less effort but haven’t heard that it offers less controlled casting. I’ve just realized how amazing my Tatula SV TW on the right rod will sling a 1/4 oz squarebills crankbait or 1/4 oz popper with incredible control. I wouldn’t mind extra distance but don’t want to lose the control with those light lures. 

 

I need to to add a reel or two to my kit and the Tatula is a 7 ratio so going to add one of the two in a 6 ratio for small cranks and topwater. 

Same exact frame.

 

Zillion uses a better and lighter free floating spool /w a smaller inductor.  

 

You're not going to lose control /w the zillion sV spool. If you do, it's user error.

[kschultz76]

5 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

Same exact frame.

 

Zillion uses a better and lighter free floating spool /w a smaller inductor.  

 

You're not going to lose control /w the zillion sV spool. If you do, it's user error.

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. I know all about the frames and differences in features. Feedback on performance differences is what I’m looking for to help in decision making. 

[iabass8]

1 minute ago, kschultz76 said:

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. I know all about the frames and differences in features. Feedback on performance differences is what I’m looking for to help in decision making. 

The zillion uses a lighter , free floating spool /w a smaller inductor. The reel casts "further" aided by the smaller inductor and casts smoother/easier being a free floating spool. 

 

There's quite a few reviews on both on the TT forums and other forums this site won't let you list. Use google. 

[bigturtle]

50 minutes ago, kschultz76 said:

I’m right debating whether I add another Tatula SV TW or try a Zillion SV TW.  Do you own or have used both?  I’m looking for direct comparisons between each. I’ve read that the Zillion offers a bit better distance with less effort but haven’t heard that it offers less controlled casting. I’ve just realized how amazing my Tatula SV TW on the right rod will sling a 1/4 oz squarebills crankbait or 1/4 oz popper with incredible control. I wouldn’t mind extra distance but don’t want to lose the control with those light lures. 

 

I need to to add a reel or two to my kit and the Tatula is a 7 ratio so going to add one of the two in a 6 ratio for small cranks and topwater. 

Iv used both, currently own Zillion SV TW. If you have the option, go with Zillion. I have cast 1/4oz Xraps on a H/MF rod with my zillion sv tw and I dont lose control.

[kschultz76]

5 minutes ago, bigturtle said:

Iv used both, currently own Zillion SV TW. If you have the option, go with Zillion. I have cast 1/4oz Xraps on a H/MF rod with my zillion sv tw and I dont lose control.

Awesome that’s great feedback. I think my sights are set on the Zillion at this point. Nothing wrong with the Tatula but would like to see what the Zillion can do.