40 ton rod

[Montanaro]

Can anyone post a list of rods that are 40 ton that they are aware of?  Hard to find this info and some manufacturers dont disclose.

 

I am interested in revamping my lineup with a domestic based rod company with rods at or under $200.

 

[WRB]

Search "Gary Loomis talks about rod breakage" Kistler rods article.

40 tons is often bantered around but means nothing. 

1ton = 2,000 lbs, 40 tons = 80,000 lbs. Graphite fibers are rated in millions of lbs/sq in or PSI or between 33 to 48 million psi.

Tom 

[Mike L]

11 minutes ago, WRB said:

 

1ton = 2,000 lbs, 40 tons = 80,000 lbs. Graphite fiberscarecrated in millions of lbs/sq in or PSI or between 33 to 48 million psi.

Tom 

 

Now that's how to answer a question!

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Mike

 

 

[dave]

59 minutes ago, WRB said:

Search "Gary Loomis talks about rod breakage" Kistler rods article.

40 tons is often bantered around but means nothing. 

1ton = 2,000 lbs, 40 tons = 80,000 lbs. Graphite fibers are rated in millions of lbs/sq in or PSI or between 33 to 48 million psi.

Tom 

That post Tom speaks of is one of the most valuable lessons in graphite rods I've ever read.

2 hours ago, Montanaro said:

Can anyone post a list of rods that are 40 ton that they are aware of?  Hard to find this info and some manufacturers dont disclose.

 

I am interested in revamping my lineup with a domestic based rod company with rods at or under $200.

 

I would go St. Croix Avid and never look back.

[kschultz76]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

Search "Gary Loomis talks about rod breakage" Kistler rods article.

40 tons is often bantered around but means nothing. 

1ton = 2,000 lbs, 40 tons = 80,000 lbs. Graphite fibers are rated in millions of lbs/sq in or PSI or between 33 to 48 million psi.

Tom 

Thanks for that post, that article was a good read. I had learned some of that a long time ago, only some of it. This was a great bit of knowledge. 

[Big Bait Fishing]

Phenix Ultra MBX blanks ........ 

[Oregon Native]

I've been liking the new Cashion.....

[Deleted account]

4o tons? how will that balance with my 6 oz reel?...

[kickerfish1]

Suggest hitting the gym for a good while before trying to fish with 40 ton rods. Maybe A-Jay can provide some workout pointers...

[Mike L]

6 hours ago, Big Bait Fishing said:

Phenix Ultra MBX blanks ........ 

 

I've been reading up on these. 

They seem to getting a lot of excellent reviews 

 

 

 

 

 

Mike

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

There's soooo much more that goes into a quality rod than the arbitrary "specs" on material. You'll get more helpful advice by posting about the application and budget then sorting through the suggestions. 

[Montanaro]

Was killing time yesterday sorting through TW rod selection realizing that its hard to compare rods and find reviews.  Some go by tonnage others IM and most list nothing.  There is nothing to go by other than price and components.

 

Just looking for a domestic rod company (not necessarily made in usa) with a diverse lineup under 200.  I like phenix but most of their rods are fast to xfast.  I like mod to mod fast rods for reaction baits and phenix only has their composite for that application.  Promo team opportunities are also a consideration and phenix has solid social media influence

[Dwight Hottle]

St Croix Avid

[DogBone_384]

My Abu Gargia Villain is 40 ton.  Funny, it feels light as a feather to me...

[Yudo1]

2 hours ago, Montanaro said:

noWas killing time yesterday sorting through TW rod selection realizing that its hard to compare rods and find reviews.  Some go by tonnage others IM and most list nothing.  There is nothing to go by other than price and components.

 

Just looking for a domestic rod company (not necessarily made in usa) with a diverse lineup under 200.  I like phenix but most of their rods are fast to xfast.  I like mod to mod fast rods for reaction baits and phenix only has their composite for that application.  Promo team opportunities are also a consideration and phenix has solid social media influence

Kistler KLX has some more moderate-fast tapers and the have a sale. I really like their clean and simple builds on nfc blanks. They are extremely versatile, light and sensitive. I've heard some good stuff about hammer rods too. I have no experience with them but I believe they are more moderate-fast too.

[RichF]

If you're looking to buy a bunch of rods, the Kistler deal is incredible. The KLXs are awesome, heliums even better. 50% off $999.  That puts the rods at $100-$135 a piece.  Made in the USA too.

[Montanaro]

I was looking at cousins, alx, hammer, Phenix, kistler among others

[Columbia Craw]

Gary Dobyns states the Extreme HP series are " 46 ton Toray material " if that helps. 

[Catt]

From a previous thread & should be a sticky!

 

Good evenin' folks,

I may be about to open a SERIOUS can of worms with this thread, but what the heck.....here goes anyway. Being in the blank distribution business, I get asked A LOT about the construction and makeup of the various graphite rod blanks that I sell. And, I have to say that whenever somebody asks me about modulus I just cringe! Here is why; It seems that about 90% of the folks that email me want to know what the modulus is of the blank(s) they are considering buying. When I ask "Why do you want to know that" they can't really give me an answer....they're just convinced that higher the IM rating is better. Here is how the conversation usually evolves:

 

Mr. Customer: What modulus is that blank made from?

Andy: Well, if you must know, it's about 40million Msi

Mr. Customer: What does that mean?

Andy: Well, it means the blank is made from the material you have come to know and love as IM6

Mr. Customer: Oh, that's too antiquated...I only fish with IM7 and higher.

Andy: Really? Did you know that the difference between IM6 and IM7 is not the modulus it's the tensile strength?

Mr. Customer: Really?

Andy: Yeah REALLY!

Mr. Customer: Eh Hhhmmm....erreer, uh, oh....well uh....well Bass Pro Shops says...

Andy: Forget Bass Pro shops...let's look at the numbers (at this point Andy whips out his trusty data chart that illustrates the differences between the different fibers that actually have IM designations). Here take a look at this. This comes from a chart put together by the folks at Hexcel (http://www.advancedcomposites.com/technology.htm)

 

The number on the far right is the modulus of the fiber, and the number in the middle is the elongation to failure or stretch.

Hexcel IM4 600 40

Hexcel IM6 760 40

Hexcel IM7 780 40

Hexcel IM8 790 44

Hexcel IM9 920 42

 

Mr. Customer: You Mean all this time I thought I was getting a higher modulus fiber with the higher IM rating, when what I was really getting is a fiber that stretches more?

Andy: Well, in some cases you are, and in some cases you arent. The fact is though that the difference between IM6 and IM7 is nothing in terms of modulus, and compared to IM8 it's only slightly higher. Wow...look at that IM9 actually has a lower modulus than IM8...go figure Now, many companies are using fibers with a much higher modulus, like 57 and even higher, however these fibers don't necessarily use the IM ratings. So, whenever you see a fiber with an IM rating...BUYER BEWARE! THE HIGHER THE IM RATING, DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THE HIGHER THE MODULUS!!!

 

The point is this folks...just because you have a blank made from a high modulus fiber, doesn't means it's a good rod! And vice versa, just because you have a blank with a low modulus...even the original fiber blanks were made with (33 million) doesn't mean it's a bad or outdated rod. It's all about what the designer does with it.

 

I know there are some of you that may already know this, but judging from the amount of calls I get on a daily basis from folks who ONLY want IM7 or IM8, but can't really tell you why, I have to believe they don't really know what they are talking about at all. They've just been sucked into the marketing machine that leads people to believe that the higher the IM rating, the lighter and more sensetive the material, which is not always the case.

 

Be forewarned that there is A LOT more to graphite blank construction, performance, quality, sensetivity, weight etc... than just what modulus the fiber is. There are lots of other variables like flag patterns, and wall thickness, and resin systems, and mandrel design....It's all about the talent of the designer, and what he is able to do in terms of the sum of those variables...not just the friggin modulus!

Whewww...ok I feel better now...

 

My aforementioned explanation of modulus and IM ratings is by no means meant to be anything more than a brief primer for the folks who didn't realize what the differences with the IM ratings were. I hope this clears things up a bit, and I hope that some of you will chime in on this as well. Oh, here is a link to the Hexcel page for those of you who want to investigate the matter further. Do a search for IM6 and you'll get some interesting info. (if you're into that kind of techie junk).

[www.hexcel.com]

[www.advancedcomposites.com]

 

Now, this gives you some ammunition...next time you stroll into BassPro, and some yahoo tries to sell you a rod based on it's IM rating, ask him to explain to you why the higher IM ratings are better. When he replies by sayin' that the higher the IM rating means more sensetivity, less weight etc....just tell him that you have a blank at home made from IM2000, and see what he says.

 

Regards,

Andy Dear

Lamar Manufacturer 

[GrumpyOlPhartte]

@Catt: First, thanks for providing some - at least for me - very enlightening insight into the mysteries of rod making.  But I have to admit I’m just glad I’m not a good enough fisherman to worry about all that. (For me, ignorance is bliss in this case!) Gotta admit I learned a lot though. Thanks again!!

[Catt]

@GrumpyOlPhartte I'm a dumb Cajun, I go by how it feels in my hand!

 

That post & the one @WRB mentioned by Gary Loomis need to be a "sticky" or in "The Best OF"!

[Deleted account]

4 hours ago, Catt said:

@GrumpyOlPhartte  I go by how it feels in my hand!

It's how I've always done it. I don't care who designed it, the manufacturer, the material, or its intended purpose. I know what I like and what I don't.

[Raul]

Kinda heavy don’tcha think ?

[ObeeZee]

Irod Genesis 2 and it’s under your price point. 

[MickD]

Here is a good read that will help prevent failures, no matter what the material is.

 

http://www.rodbuilding.org/library/rodusage.pdf